A real motorcycle?

[sonny]

A friend has not been on a bike in a number of years and s looking to ride again. He asked if he could take mine around the school parking lot since he has to pass a riding test, I agreed. He did so well I offered to let him take it down the road a ways back to his convenience store and I followed in his truck, a first time offer on my part. When we reached the store a fella, I don't know, told him he should buy a "real motorcycle", and since he saw my friend hand me the bike keys I figure it was obviously my bike. I did not figure he was sharp enough to realize he just insulted my scooter so I did not get upset. So I stated that he could buy a "real motorcycle" or a good one. The fella said he was talking about a "Harley", one octave drop in his voice. I told him I was too. He called me "one of those smart a..es" I grinned real big and strolled into the store. Some times they are such easy targets that I ALMOST feel bad poking at them. Bless their little hearts.
Thanks for your time

[cactusjack]

There's no shortage id d*kheads in society. Don't take it personally, his mom probably didn't show him enough attention as a child.

[cyclecat]

The right answer is "This is the motorcycle every Harley wants to be".

[macmac]

My take this was said from a non rider with no bike at all right? I like CC's reply very well.

[egetaseb]

Watch out. THose "real motorcycles" are everywhere. I have nothing against Harleys but during my road trip this weekend, I saw well over 500 bikes and only 2 Vulcans and 1 Honda. Everything else was a Harley. Why would you want to be just like everyone else? It makes no sense.

[bigmacbkr]

I've heard those comments before and have occassionally been asked if mine was a Harley.

My response is pretty much always the same;

"I didn't buy a Harley because I wanted a bike with a more powerful motor".

I then follow up with, " the Kawasaki has a larger 104 cubic inch engine where as Harleys have a smaller and less powerful 96 cubic inches". Shuts them up every time! ;)

[cactusjack]

I've heard those comments before and have occassionally been asked if mine was a Harley.

My response is pretty much always the same;

"I didn't buy a Harley because I wanted a bike with a more powerful motor".

I then follow up with, " the Kawasaki has a larger 104 cubic inch engine where as Harleys have a smaller and less powerful 96 cubic inches". Shuts them up every time! ;)

104ci? Must have a 1700?

[AlabamaNomadRider]

How many cubic inches does the 1552 have Scott? I know I have seen it but just can't recall.

[recumbentbob]

How many cubic inches does the 1552 have Scott? I know I have seen it but just can't recall.

1552 cc = 94.70885 Cubic inch

[AlabamaNomadRider]

Thanks Bob, I know there is a formula to convert but I don't recall what that is. Do you know the formula you use to convert CC's to Cubic Inches and vise versa?

[sonny]

CC if you don't mind too much I am gonna use your responce from here on :-) and grin even bigger.
Thanks for your time

[cactusjack]

How many cubic inches does the 1552 have Scott? I know I have seen it but just can't recall.

~95 cubic inches.

[desertdog]

Back in April one of my clients stopped by and we got to talking about bikes. He has a Harley, but was really interested in the Nomad, so I took him out in the garage and showed it to him.

He ranted and raved how much better it seemed to be than his Harley. He asked me how much I paid for it and when I told him he said " Why didn't you buy a Harley, you could have gotten a used Harley for what you paid for the Nomad new".

I just looked at him for a minute, then he thought about what he said and said "Oh".

He is in love with the Harley image, even tho his seems to have a consistant string of problems and he admits the maintenance on it is costing him an arm and a leg to keep it running.

[recumbentbob]

Thanks Bob, I know there is a formula to convert but I don't recall what that is. Do you know the formula you use to convert CC's to Cubic Inches and vise versa?

I use this free convert program it's great.
here's the link.

http://joshmadison.com/software/convert-for-windows/

[recumbentbob]

Back in April one of my clients stopped by and we got to talking about bikes. He has a Harley, but was really interested in the Nomad, so I took him out in the garage and showed it to him.

He ranted and raved how much better it seemed to be than his Harley. He asked me how much I paid for it and when I told him he said " Why didn't you buy a Harley, you could have gotten a used Harley for what you paid for the Nomad new".

I just looked at him for a minute, then he thought about what he said and said "Oh".

He is in love with the Harley image, even tho his seems to have a consistant string of problems and he admits the maintenance on it is costing him an arm and a leg to keep it running.



That's what is known as the "Harley" Mentality. It's not rational ::)

[pastorgumby]

I get insulted nearly everytime I go out with a crew (they all ride Harley's) -- they need something to poke fun, since I won't budge, blush, or wince! I know what i'm riding, and i like it alot!

[cactusjack]

Thanks Bob, I know there is a formula to convert but I don't recall what that is. Do you know the formula you use to convert CC's to Cubic Inches and vise versa?

Cubic Centimeters / 16.387 = Cubic Inches

[bigmacbkr]

[quoteMust have a 1700?[/quote]

Yep! 2009 1700 Nomad

[macmac]

[/quote]

That's what is known as the "Harley" Mentality. It's not rational ::)[/quote]

I love that!

[MustangMan]

Gee, I thought my bike was real. Now I realize it is just a figment of my imagination and when I am out riding I must really be asleep and dreaming.

[landman]

:) so if the nomad engine is 1552cc's and is 95 cubic inches which
it is,how is it that the harley which is 1550 cc.s is 96 cubic inches?

[Stump]

That the reason the wife has a hd and I ride my nomad and since we got married she rides on the back of mine about 86% of the time and I don't ride hers at , don't like the sporster at all it rides like a rock . I'll stick to my nomad those other wantabes can spend all thier money on that HD .

[lonewolf]

just got back from sturgis, funny thing is i had 3 nomad owners come up and talk "bike" with me. None of my "harley" riding companions had anyone come up and talk about their bikes ! Guess they just dont have anything to say about their "cookie cutter" bikes !! One guy i talked to said " Harleys are a dime a dz out here, its nice to see something different !

[nomad561]

I don't have anything against any brand, (other than the inflated prices of some)but I like the way my Nomad stands out in the crowd.

[kenb]

Watch out. THose "real motorcycles" are everywhere. I have nothing against Harleys but during my road trip this weekend, I saw well over 500 bikes and only 2 Vulcans and 1 Honda. Everything else was a Harley. Why would you want to be just like everyone else? It makes no sense.

I find it funny that they only come out on weekends. They're being individuals, together!

[cactusjack]

:) so if the nomad engine is 1552cc's and is 95 cubic inches which
it is,how is it that the harley which is 1550 cc.s is 96 cubic inches?

A 96 CI engine should equal around 1573 CC's.

[jmax5105]

There's a reason that you see more Harley's on trailers than you do on the road.... personally, I'd like to RIDE my bike to where I'm trying to get to instead of pulling it off the trailer when I get there.

[blowndodge]

I guess you can imagine the verbal beat-down that idiot would have gotten from BD right?? http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[taranis]

Thanks Bob, I know there is a formula to convert but I don't recall what that is. Do you know the formula you use to convert CC's to Cubic Inches and vise versa?

I use this free convert program it's great.
here's the link.

http://joshmadison.com/software/convert-for-windows/

Even better: Use Google. It can do all sorts of measurement conversions.

Type in "1552cc in cubic inches" (without the quotes)

[wheelie]

The last guy to rag on me about the Nomad was really funny. I was in the my liquor store at about 8 PM getting a beer order ready. This guy comes in and starts with "Who rides the Jap Crap Honda" I told him it was a Kaw and he started in on me about being a trucker an "American business man" and how the Mexican tomatoes were bringing an end to the world as we know it. I told him I also was a business man and he was standing in my business and it just so happened I had done 500 miles that day in a semi. He got pissed bought some imported liquor and went outside and started talking on his "American made" cell phone. Oh and the guy has no motorcycle.

[tombstone]

I told him I also was a business man and he was standing in my business and it just so happened I had done 500 miles that day in a semi. He got pissed bought some imported liquor and went outside and started talking on his "American made" cell phone. Oh and the guy has no motorcycle.

That's a good one!

[rickb6959]

I always tell them I was going to get a Harley but it was to small for me.

[wompus]

I've owned 2 Harleys myself. Both were underpowered junk!
As a Patriot Rides I ride with all kinds of bikes but even there the Harley butt holes just won't shut up fpr one second... but I've found a way to really piss them off...

When these "Harley Yuppies" ask me why I don't ride a Harley I simply tell them, "Why would I want to ride a overpriced, under powered, antiquated dinosaur when I can ride the bike I traded my Harley in on and have a much better bike" ? The look on their face is priceless! http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif ::)

I call them Harley Yuppies... why? Take a good look at what's riding them now a days...YUPPIES!
"IZOD" polo shirts, " Duck" shorts, "ADIDAS" tennis shoes, and those silly ass beanie helmets!

Yep, REAL bikers! http://s2.images.proboards.com/lipsrsealed.gif ??? http://s2.images.proboards.com/shocked.gif




.

[madotu]

When I was looking to buy a new bike I looked at all types. I love my nomad!!!!! It's what fit me the best. Everyone has there own likes and dislikes. As long you are riding on two wheels you will get a wave from me. :)

[wiz]

Those people with their H-D License plates on their Toyota truck, H-D T-shirt, and no motorcycle are usually the worst. Most people who actually ride (not just own) H-D's are fine.

[dank]

Since I switched from the Nomad to the ST1300 I have found it interesting that Nomad riders, Goldwing riders, Royal Star/V-Star riders, and to be fair, some Harley riders wave as we meet on the road and act normally. But a number of Harley riders, and only Harley riders, have made a point of coming up beside me and reving their engine to show me how powerful their bike is, then opening theirs up to take off, or going what they think is bat out of hell fast out of a stop sign and glancing back to see how far they left me in the dust. I never race them or pass while they are doing this, what's the point, but I confess that I often have mirrored their acceleration so when the look back I am right there where I was before a normal spacing for the speed we are going behind them. Seems to tear their hearts out. I'm not sure why, didn't bother me when a sport tourer was faster than my Nomad, in fact I never even thought to try and race one. And surely they know Harley's aren't built for speed. They usually make a second attempt, and then slow down well below the speed limit and look the other way like the scenery suddenly got very interesting as I go out and around them doing the speed limit. Strange culture. I'm glad this group isn't part of it.

[pastorgumby]

The right answer is "This is the motorcycle every Harley wants to be".

Perfect response! ;)

[jestephens]

Watch out. THose "real motorcycles" are everywhere. I have nothing against Harleys but during my road trip this weekend, I saw well over 500 bikes and only 2 Vulcans and 1 Honda. Everything else was a Harley. Why would you want to be just like everyone else? It makes no sense.

http://s2.images.proboards.com/cool.gif I agree. I like harley's, but how can I be a non-conformist if I blindly conform to all the other non-conformist? http://s2.images.proboards.com/cool.gif

My general opinion is the guys who make negative comments about other people's bikes aren't real bikers, so I shouldn't take their opinions seriously. They probably just weren't hugged enough as a child :'(

http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[mattg43]

My Cousin in law got a Harley tattoo before he even knew how to ride, much less owned a Harley.

2 years later he bought his first bike - A Suzuki M50 - spent more than a used Sporty 1200 would cost.

He used to give me a hard time about not owning a "real bike" when I had a Kawa Ninja 500 and now my Triumph Sprint. He doesnt talk much about it now.

We have not told him we have a Harley now, but I keep telling my wife she needs to get a temp tattoo that says Suzuki, then ride in on her Harley. Tell him it was in solidarity of not being able to get a matching bike/tattoo.

[skiman]

You can always tell a Harley rider.....you just can't tell him much

[cocheese72]

Ignore em. Go your own way, Nomads stand out in a crowd. My 07 was $6200 with $1000 of extras.

Nothing wrong with Harleys, but.

Here is what I could have gotten in the Road King variety in that price range:
Harley Davidson Road King - 1997 flhpi - $6300 (Benton)
http://littlerock.craigslist.org/mcy/1929445216.html

or if matching my year:
2007 Harley-Davidson FLHRI Road King (EFI) - $10950 (Palm Bay, Florida)
http://spacecoast.craigslist.org/mcy/1976249714.html

No thanks.

[cocheese72]

:) so if the nomad engine is 1552cc's and is 95 cubic inches which
it is,how is it that the harley which is 1550 cc.s is 96 cubic inches?

HDs are 1584.

[skiman]

Ignore em. Go your own way, Nomads stand out in a crowd. My 07 was $6200 with $1000 of extras.

Nothing wrong with Harleys, but.

Here is what I could have gotten in the Road King variety in that price range:
Harley Davidson Road King - 1997 flhpi - $6300 (Benton)
http://littlerock.craigslist.org/mcy/1929445216.html

or if matching my year:
2007 Harley-Davidson FLHRI Road King (EFI) - $10950 (Palm Bay, Florida)
http://spacecoast.craigslist.org/mcy/1976249714.html

No thanks.

That's not bad for a real motorcycle ...lol

[unwind2]

You can always tell a Harley rider.....you just can't tell him much

Good one....so true ...I work with a fella that is always putting down my Nomad and hubbies Goldwing. Keeps saying 'when are you guys going to get you some harleys'. ::)

[coacha]

You can always tell a Harley rider.....you just can't tell him much

Good one....so true ...I work with a fella that is always putting down my Nomad and hubbies Goldwing. Keeps saying 'when are you guys going to get you some harleys'. ::)

I hate that. I ride what I ride because I like my bike, simple as that. If you ride, you are ok by me regardless of what you ride.

[sharps45100]

I think the real reason the insecure buy harley's and trash talk other bikes is cause they weren't breast fed as babies! I'm fine with my nomad need I say anything more!

[skiman]

When I look at bikes for sale I see HD ads 3 to 1 over other brands I can only think with so many 2-3 year old bikes for sale they must not be very good for so many people to be trying to unload them
hard to find many good Nomads for sale

[cactusjack]

When I look at bikes for sale I see HD ads 3 to 1 over other brands I can only think with so many 2-3 year old bikes for sale they must not be very good for so many people to be trying to unload them
hard to find many good Nomads for sale

No, I think it's because 10 Harleys are probably sold for every similar metric model. Plus, a lot of these are "midlife crisis bikes", a man wakes up one day, realizes he's never owned a Harley, and feels one is necessary to complete his life. He buys it, rides it once or twice, realizes it's dangerous or noisy, or something and then it sits in his garage, taking up space until his wife nags him enough that he sells it. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[Loafer]

When I look at bikes for sale I see HD ads 3 to 1 over other brands I can only think with so many 2-3 year old bikes for sale they must not be very good for so many people to be trying to unload them
hard to find many good Nomads for sale

No, I think it's because 10 Harleys are probably sold for every similar metric model. Plus, a lot of these are "midlife crisis bikes", a man wakes up one day, realizes he's never owned a Harley, and feels one is necessary to complete his life. He buys it, rides it once or twice, realizes it's dangerous or noisy, or something and then it sits in his garage, taking up space until his wife nags him enough that he sells it. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

I agree with that, and I would add that a lot of people are suffering from the economy. :(

[ridemslow]

It brings some Harly owners to tears when you point out that some 78% of their American made Motorcycles are actually manufactured outside the USA. Pisses them off to be shown that of that 78% some 80% is Jap. I just remind them that I no longer have to drag a magnet behind me to catch falling parts like I did when I rode Harley.

[unwind2]

When I look at bikes for sale I see HD ads 3 to 1 over other brands I can only think with so many 2-3 year old bikes for sale they must not be very good for so many people to be trying to unload them
hard to find many good Nomads for sale

No, I think it's because 10 Harleys are probably sold for every similar metric model. Plus, a lot of these are "midlife crisis bikes", a man wakes up one day, realizes he's never owned a Harley, and feels one is necessary to complete his life. He buys it, rides it once or twice, realizes it's dangerous or noisy, or something and then it sits in his garage, taking up space until his wife nags him enough that he sells it. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

So true and then they look at all that invested money sitting in their garage.

[poppy]

I always tell them I was going to get a Harley but it was to small for me.

That's a good one too!

[Texas nomad]

When I came home Iraq I wanted to get an Electra-glide, since having been a police motor officer before, figured I could get a good cop price on one. Wrong! Talk about inflated egotistical prices! Looked at the '06 Vulcan.... Twenty minutes later,without even taking a test ride,I bought it... $11,690.... Really good price. I simply love this bike! Just waiting to get the funds situated to start getting a fairing, sound system and more. This forum is a great asset!!

[HwyRider]

You paid 11,690 for a 7 year old bike?

[Jim O]

Granted, I got an unusual deal, but I paid $5,500 for my 07 Nomad a few months ago. Not like me to actually see a good deal and be able to take advantage of it...but I got lucky this time! Oh, it had less than 1,500 miles on it when I bought it!

[glwilson]

This is a 3-year old thread... Someone is digging deep for these things. :hmm:

Not sure of the price paid for the '06... If it was $11k paid recently (2013)... I am fairly sure that was not a good deal for a 7-year-old bike -- no matter the mileage.:wtf:

There must be more to the story...:D

[manban9888]

This is a 3-year old thread... Someone is digging deep for these things. :hmm:

Not sure of the price paid for the '06... If it was $11k paid recently (2013)... I am fairly sure that was not a good deal for a 7-year-old bike -- no matter the mileage.:wtf:

There must be more to the story...:D

When I first joined the VBA I read tons of old posts because there is so much info on our bikes here. I really learned just about everything I know about my Nomad. I think that's what's happening w some of these reborn old threads. Newer members are reading all the old good stuff and just responding as they read. They're just another member that realizes the wealth of knowledge here. It sounds to me that the bike above was bought new when he came home from Iraq.

[glwilson]

When I first joined the VBA I read tons of old posts because there is so much info on our bikes here. I really learned just about everything I know about my Nomad. I think that's what's happening w some of these reborn old threads. Newer members are reading all the old good stuff and just responding as they read. They're just another member that realizes the wealth of knowledge here. It sounds to me that the bike above was bought new when he came home from Iraq.

I am assuming the bike was bought back then also.

I just wonder how many threads you have to go through to get to a good one though! :lmao::cheers:

[vulcanguy]

I am assuming the bike was bought back then also.

I just wonder how many threads you have to go through to get to a good one though! :lmao::cheers:

I was sure all of the threads on this site were good....:)

[dale55]

[QUOTE=jestephens;284302]http://s2.images.proboards.com/cool.gif I agree. I like harley's, but how can I be a non-conformist if I blindly conform to all the other non-conformist? http://s2.images.proboards.com/cool.gif



You hit the nail on the head for me! I like all bikes but the bunch I ride with we like to rib each other about our brands but its just funnin. Shut up and ride is what I say.

[glwilson]

[QUOTE=jestephens;284302]http://s2.images.proboards.com/cool.gif I agree. I like harley's, but how can I be a non-conformist if I blindly conform to all the other non-conformist? http://s2.images.proboards.com/cool.gif



You hit the nail on the head for me! I like all bikes but the bunch I ride with we like to rib each other about our brands but its just funnin. Shut up and ride is what I say.

I have ridden a lot of different brands through the years. All were metric-bikes, so I am used to being "ribbed" by others... however, I own a HD and a Can Am Spyder now and the "ribbing" hasn't ceased one bit no matter what I ride. There is always someone around to say something about what I ride; or someone thinking they have found the "ride" that makes them different than anyone else.:lmao:

I consider it all fun-n-games when hassling someone about their ride... but at the end of the day it simply comes down to the fact we are "riding". :cheers:

[Top Cat]

[QUOTE=dale55;544235]
at the end of the day it simply comes down to the fact we are "riding". :cheers:

We are riding as long as we don't try to use a bungee chord as our final drive :D Hey, I'm just saying....................

[glwilson]

[QUOTE=glwilson;544242]

We are riding as long as we don't try to use a bungee chord as our final drive :D Hey, I'm just saying....................

Now... was that really necessary Tim? Really... :lmao::cheers:

[JTJL]

So this year at Thanksgiving my soon to be brother in law was talking about how he and his "club" do a lot of miles. How he loves to ride his Harley... funny thing is he also had to talk about how he and three other members of his "club" left town at 4 a.m. one Friday and returned at 8pm that Sunday doing just over 1800 miles. I was really impressed with the miles they put on.... right up until he started to talk about how his Toyota Truck got crappy mileage hauling 4 Harley's in the trailer!

[HwyRider]

I tease my brother about his Harley all the time. It's just good fun and as long as we're riding that's all that counts. It doesn't matter what the bike is as long as it runs and gets you there.

[jesse d]

I wish riders would just be riders....you know, Harleys are good bikes and have had a lot of original ideas in there bike history. I love all bikes in general. I think harley riders by average have all treated me good and always ask me about my voyager and the new things on the kawasaki bikes. The idiots are the ones who dont even ride or for that much have a bike that always have a smart krack about metrics. Just keep on brothers and laugh it away........:lmao::tup::wave:

[0vationdave]

[QUOTE=glwilson;544242]

We are riding as long as we don't try to use a bungee chord as our final drive :D Hey, I'm just saying....................


My Vaquero has a belt drive......just saying.....

[cactusjack]

[QUOTE=dale55;544235]

I have ridden a lot of different brands through the years. All were metric-bikes, so I am used to being "ribbed" by others... however, I own a HD and a Can Am Spyder now and the "ribbing" hasn't ceased one bit no matter what I ride. There is always someone around to say something about what I ride; or someone thinking they have found the "ride" that makes them different than anyone else.:lmao:

I consider it all fun-n-games when hassling someone about their ride... but at the end of the day it simply comes down to the fact we are "riding". :cheers:
I tease you because you trailer your Harley and anyone who owns a spyder deserves to be heckled. :D I would never tease you because you own a Harley.

[Allan Sexton]

I have a 2011 Kawasaki Voyager.I own it because it is the best bike for the money .I could have a Harley but where I live it would cost me about 7000.00 at least for the same accessories mine has.10000 kms and has had oil change only.No problems .48 mpg ,and comfortable.You will always get the comments about metrics,but if you are happy with what you own that is all that counts.Read the article in the last cruiser magazine where the guy says he went to his friends motorcycle shop and there were 5 Harleys that were takin in trade.That never used to be.As he put it the bloom is slowly coming off Harleys rose.Nothing wrong with Harleys ,but you are paying for the name.Just ignore the guy!!!

[Boscoe]

Us poor folks gotta ride something...

[jon497]

Had a real biker tell me last fall when I stopped at a gas station on the way to work to get a real bike.... when I walk out of gas station his wont start I asked him if that was part of owning a real bike the real problems.... yes it was an hd. then have been building bikes for a hundred years and still have figured out how to engineer a starter that can acutally turn the dam motor over lol .

[robjob]

So this year at Thanksgiving my soon to be brother in law was talking about how he and his "club" do a lot of miles. How he loves to ride his Harley... funny thing is he also had to talk about how he and three other members of his "club" left town at 4 a.m. one Friday and returned at 8pm that Sunday doing just over 1800 miles. I was really impressed with the miles they put on.... right up until he started to talk about how his Toyota Truck got crappy mileage hauling 4 Harley's in the trailer!


:lmao: Ya I know someone like that, as many miles on the trailer as his bike. My Nomad likes being on the road much better than a trailer :tup:

[glwilson]

[QUOTE=glwilson;544242]
I tease you because you trailer your Harley and anyone who owns a spyder deserves to be heckled. :D I would never tease you because you own a Harley.

I only trailer it a couple times a week, and ride it at least one of those times. So what are you saying? :lmao::cheers:

[HeyJoe]

When I bought my Vaquero last May, the previous owner had it serviced at a Harley shop. I met the shop owner, who was a way cool dude, when I went and picked up the bike after some minor adjustments before I rode it away. The owner happened to really love the look and the lines of my new ride, and he always looked forward to the next service date. Sadly, I wouldn't be able to get it serviced at his shop because I lived too far away. Instant trust with this guy though. This gets better - his body and paint guy offered to paint up something special for the bike because he also loved it and had a great paint scheme to let loose on it - I'll keep that in mind when I'm ready for new paint. A couple of Harley owners dropped in and, you couldn't make this up, they both said they were talking about switching over. This is where the shop owner burst out laughing because those two dudes were his longest standing Harley customers. One of them turned to him and seriously repeated that he was thinking of buying a Vulcan, while the other said he was only kidding, he would never switch. Bottom line is that even some Harley owners like the Vulcan line, because they RULE!! :tup:

[Hammy]

It brings some Harly owners to tears when you point out that some 78% of their American made Motorcycles are actually manufactured outside the USA. Pisses them off to be shown that of that 78% some 80% is Jap. I just remind them that I no longer have to drag a magnet behind me to catch falling parts like I did when I rode Harley.



Is there some place I can find this info out so i can tell my HD friends as i drive them to the mechanics shop to pick up their bike....again!!

[coffey67]

I have always rode import bikes. I preached to my son about the reliability of imports. I helped him buy an import (Honda). He owed only $600 on his Honda and it was in pristine shape with only 10K on it. The Harley bug bit him. He traded his Honda for a Harley that was four years older and had 4K more miles on it and ended up in debt about $3500.00. He never had any problems with the Honda but the Harley has been in the repair shop twice in the last eight months and it is currently leaking oil all over my garage floor. With a Harley you pay for an image not quality.

[Calflan]

Flew from Tucson to Denver and picked up our 2010 Voyager, then drove it home (1000 miles). A guy I work with who is a big Harley guy and lives in Denver told me if it was a Harley he'd have let me store it as his house and ship it to Tucson instead of having set aside several days and ride it home. It told him if it was Harley I'd have had to ship it, it'd never have made the trip non stop!

[k9sarky]

Most riders will return a wave, but when they don't it's usually a Harley rider. I just don't understand the snub. To quote the late Rodney King "can't we all just get along?" Aren't we all out there because we enjoy the ride?

[dale55]

Most riders will return a wave, but when they don't it's usually a Harley rider. I just don't understand the snub. To quote the late Rodney King "can't we all just get along?" Aren't we all out there because we enjoy the ride?

Uh no. Harley guys gotta show they have the best "real motorcycle" otherwise they overspent by a few thousand dollars.

[gcsteve]

I had the bug to get one of the new indians. After testing them out I saw they are great motorcycles. The new Harleys look really nice too with the high out put 103 motors. But after watching the new comparison of the new Indian Chieftain and the HO Street Glide I realize they just dont have enough to get me to give up my Kawasaki.

[Gypsy Dragon]

I have a 2003 Z1000 with 142,000 miles on it (no, not a typo), I pick up my Vaquero on the 24th. I have ridden it hard from the day I bought it brand new (well, after the break in), and it looks like it. It is beat up on all sides. The only failure I have ever had that was not accident related was when the rear sprocket carrier grenaded. When ever I get mouth from some weekend warrior on a perfectly clean, every option available HD, the first question I have for them is "how many miles you have on that thing?" After that I usually ask them if they want to race...straight line, twisties, even long distance. "Pick somewhere in the US and I'll see you there". Why would I want to spend that kind of money on a 70 year old motor, when I can spend half of it and have a better performing bike that I can ride constantly and not have to take to the shop for work every few months.

I ride with a lot of people that ride a lot of different bike, many of them Harley, and the real riders never talk down to someone because of the brand of bike. In my circle, you will catch waaay more flak if you leave the scoot at home on a chilly or wet day.

Just my $.02

[Bdog]

I get the flack all the time too about not owning a real motorcycle. Almost everyone I work with that has a bike has a Harley. A lot of them come to my shop for some one off items but I have a policy..no dickheads allowed..hence many don't get custom work done from me! I don't care what kind of bike one has..just ride it.

[Silent Sam]

..Real Motorcycle ! ??

..The registration for my Nomad say's "KAWK"....

My approach for loading the ladies usually starts with something like....Yea I always see "Big Hog's" broke down beside the road.....When I cruise past with my Big Kawk ! ...wanna ride ?

[Jeffsmountainauto]

I haven't actually gotten any flack from anybody about my Nomad yet. Last long rode I was on we had two Harley's, an FJR, an Aprilla, and myself. The road king suffered an electrical problem 1/3 of the way in and had to get a roadside repair. No big, just stuff vibrating loose. Go figure. I figure my bike is just as comfortable and even more reliable with a much lower price tag than the HD. Although, the late model Street glide my buddy was on was pretty sweet. If I had that kind of disposable income, I would buy one, but I don't and the Nomad suits me just fine.

[Silent Sam]

..Well in all honesty...I love the Harley's Sound...the only other machine that does me as good as the sound of a Harley..is a Radial Aircraft Engine...Wow, those baby's sound like "A Herd Of Harley's"

[glwilson]

Yea I always see "Big Hog's" broke down beside the road.

Ummm... I always hear people make this comment, but have never seen Harley's littering the road-side broken-down. Not sure where you are riding to see that happen... or is that image merely in the minds of some... :hmm: Just saying...

[ponch]

Ummm... I always hear people make this comment, but have never seen Harley's littering the road-side broken-down. Not sure where you are riding to see that happen... or is that image merely in the minds of some... :hmm: Just saying...

It's a stereotype based on the experiences of owning AMF harleys, I bet. The jokes go around on a lot of bike, like if a triumph isn't leaking oil, check it because it's probably out of oil, etc. Harley's made today are as reliable as any bike given proper maintenance like any other bike.

[Dave]

Ummm... I always hear people make this comment, but have never seen Harley's littering the road-side broken-down.


Come to Ontario, California. :D

[ponch]

Come to Ontario, California. :D

Are you still having problems?

[Netnorske]

I'll never forget while attending the first VBA (then KawaNOW) National rally in Custer, SD back in 2009. Four of us...although I can't remember who all was with me at the time (old-timers disease), were riding into Custer State Park. We all stopped at the ticket window and shut off the bikes. This cute little twenty-something gal sticks her head out of the booth, surveys all the bikes, then spits out this little gem...

"Wow...those are really nice looking bikes...and they're not even Harley's!"...:lmao:.

[Dave]

Are you still having problems?

No but then everything's been replaced.

[glwilson]

It's a stereotype based on the experiences of owning AMF harleys, I bet. The jokes go around on a lot of bike, like if a triumph isn't leaking oil, check it because it's probably out of oil, etc. Harley's made today are as reliable as any bike given proper maintenance like any other bike.

A bit like an urban-legend where it just never ends and people repeat it as if they can confirm it. :lol:

Come to Ontario, California. :D

That is California. Nothing works right in California... Nothing! :P:lmao:


"Wow...those are really nice looking bikes...and they're not even Harley's!"...:lmao:.

And... you are saying what? :D:cheers:

[c_law23]

I was dead set to buy a used Road King last March. I hadn't ridden much in a few years since selling my 900 when my son was born. I usually ride with 4 or 5 Harley guys. Former co-workers and good buddies. They never give me flak about what I ride, one of them even gave me his deluxe enclosed hauler to pick my bike up in NY state. I go on poker runs with them and am constantly surrounded by Harley guys. Normally the only people who say anything to me about my bike not being a Harley are guys that don't own one. This is the same kind of thing when someone likes to talk crap about your sports team but doesn't have one of their own, they are just sad little trolls.

I had always admired the build quality of their bikes. I loved that it was a task to find plastic. They have Road Kings, a Heritage and Ultra Classic and I loved them. Unfortunately or fortunately, the Road King that I had my eye on just wasn't a good fit for me. I had to do too much modifying for it to fit my tall frame. It was a beautiful '07 with less than 15k miles on it for $12k.

I hadn't been following the new bike market because I knew my price range and was set on a Harley. Then the Vaquero was pointed out to me and I found the one in NY state. It was an '11 for $11.5k with less than 9k on the clock. Had the big 3 done, with KQR backrest, aux kit, driving lights and a taller shield. All in all I'm glad it didnt work out. I love having a radio and a fairing, and I'm glad to have a liquid cooled bike again. I was worried about still craving the fit and finish of the Harley, but I dont have any of the envy that I had previously. I still think Harleys are absolutely beautiful bikes and I wish my paint could be anywhere close to their quality of paint.

[ponch]

A bit like an urban-legend where it just never ends and people repeat it as if they can confirm it. :lol:







That is California. Nothing works right in California... Nothing! :P:lmao:









And... you are saying what? :D:cheers:


Pretty much

[Silent Sam]

..My 2 cents worth for today...

California Anything...Is a sorry shell of what California was just 30 years ago !
I Know I was There... I AM THERE !

(I was in southern California..in the mid and late 60's.....what has been lost since then ..IF YOU KNEW...It Will Make A BIG MAN CRY !...and the trend nationwide is downward)

..I could go on as to gov. and military...down-breeding..But nuff of that !

As For the Harley owners..Iv never been directly insulted by any of them as to what bike I ride, And THEY DONT HAVE HARLEY ENVY.they own one (problems and all !)
..I do have a Nephew Inlaw..that owns a Harley..he wont ride with me,

...He rides only with Harley Rider's !

[Gypsy Dragon]

..I do have a Nephew Inlaw..that owns a Harley..he wont ride with me,

...He rides only with Harley Rider's !

Smart, the more Harley riders in a pack, the more likely someone will have the tools you need. :lmao:

My best friend and the person I have logged the most miles next to rides a 2013 Road Glide. When I was poised to buy my 2012 Vaquero, I rode his, and nearly got the Glide. he also has a 2007 Road King, with, wait for it, right at 130,000 miles on it. I like to talk a little smack to my friends, but anyone who doesn't believe HD's have come a long way is very much mistaken. My biggest complaint about them had to do with their final assembly. The dealers actually expect to have the bikes back in the shop for some sort of warranty work within the first month after they are sold. Usually for sloppy work, loose steering bearings, random gaskets not placed correctly and leaking oil, those kinds of things. But over all, the twin cam motor has proven to be very reliable when properly maintained.

[clbryant1981]

One of my favorite run ins happened in December. I ride year round, no matter the weather. There are times when my car is needed by one of my staff members, and my wife of course needs her van to take care of the kids, so I only have my bike. In December it was about 35 degrees outside, I was gassing up and a guy approached me and began to tell me how much he liked his HD better than my Vulcan. He proceeded to tell me I was not a real rider like him because I didn't ride an HD. I looked around and asked him where his bike was, to which he replied "in my garage", I smiled and said "so a real rider only rides when it's sunny out?" He walked away mumbling. Enjoy the ride, no matter what you ride.

[cliffordgos]

..My 2 cents worth for today...

California Anything...Is a sorry shell of what California was just 30 years ago !
I Know I was There... I AM THERE !

(I was in southern California..in the mid and late 60's.....what has been lost since then ..IF YOU KNEW...It Will Make A BIG MAN CRY !...and the trend nationwide is downward)



Holy Crap! You are so right! I was just thinking the same thing earlier today.

I grew up in So Cal during the 60's and 70's. I KNOW!! And every time I visit, I cry a little inside.

How did it happen that in one generation it went from Great to Crap? We went from Ronald Reagan to Jerry Brown (again)!

We are so lost!

[dshelly]

Holy Crap! You are so right! I was just thinking the same thing earlier today.

I grew up in So Cal during the 60's and 70's. I KNOW!! And every time I visit, I cry a little inside.

How did it happen that in one generation it went from Great to Crap? We went from Ronald Reagan to Jerry Brown (again)!

We are so lost!

Hey Cliff,

How's it going ? I wasn't sure if I was seeing things when I saw a post from you. You must have really been inspired. :lol:

I have heard the same thing from Brad, since he still lives down there. I wish they would fix that damn state, then all the freaking weirdos from there would stop moving here and bringing there Calif. problems with them. >:(

[cliffordgos]

Hey Cliff,

How's it going ? I wasn't sure if I was seeing things when I saw a post from you. You must have really been inspired. :lol:

I have heard the same thing from Brad, since he still lives down there. I wish they would fix that damn state, then all the freaking weirdos from there would stop moving here and bringing there Calif. problems with them. >:(

It is going good here.
Yea I got a little worked up reading another post about guys getting ticked off because they live in harsh weather. and it got me thinking on how our family every year would watch the Rose Bowl and hope and pray that the weather would be bad just so all the loons and nuts from the other 49 states wouldn't move here. But noooo! the tv would show people in shorts and without coats or even no shirts on. You have some goober who had been out shoveling snow from his driveway all morning watching the game and yelling at Ma to pack the kids because we are moving to Sunny California.
A few years ago for the first time in History, more people are moving out then are moving into the state. So us native Californians just like think that's us giving paying back to the other 49 states for all the crap that they sent here in the first place.
Just because we live in the best weather state doesn't mean that we don't like the winter and all the winter sports just like the people in other states do. It's that we can drive about an hour to visit the winter and then go home.
As much as I love the weather, the state has gone rotten. When the wife retires we plan to move to another state. But don't worry it won't be yours.(too damm cold in the winter)

[Yellow Jacket]

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The way things are going in the country, there may not be any decent state left to move to.

[mobandy78]

I did a local charity ride this past summer and had a Harley rider come up to me as soon as I parked my Nomad. He was all decked out in all the gear (probably spent 2 grand on the clothes). As I was standing next to the bike, he asked if it was mine. "Yea, it is." He then preceded to tell me that the '05 Nomad was the best bike he ever owned and he truly regretted trading it for a Harley when he fell to peer pressure. He went on and on about how great a ride it was and how much better he liked the Nomad than his current Harley. I asked him why he didn't revert back to the Nomad and his response... "I've got too much money invested in this Harley. My wife would kill me 'cause I'd take a huge loss financially."

I could only think, man, that's gotta suck. Gave me a really big smile when he walked back to his bike and his buddies. My wife and I walked around a bit looking at other bikes and when we got back to mine, his buddies were standing around mine checking it out. They were very complimentary. And, very inquisitive about the car tire. :D :tup:

[cactusjack]

...and then his buddies took him out back and beat him for blasphemy!

[cactusjack]

It is going good here.
Yea I got a little worked up reading another post about guys getting ticked off because they live in harsh weather. and it got me thinking on how our family every year would watch the Rose Bowl and hope and pray that the weather would be bad just so all the loons and nuts from the other 49 states wouldn't move here. But noooo! the tv would show people in shorts and without coats or even no shirts on. You have some goober who had been out shoveling snow from his driveway all morning watching the game and yelling at Ma to pack the kids because we are moving to Sunny California.
A few years ago for the first time in History, more people are moving out then are moving into the state. So us native Californians just like think that's us giving paying back to the other 49 states for all the crap that they sent here in the first place.
Just because we live in the best weather state doesn't mean that we don't like the winter and all the winter sports just like the people in other states do. It's that we can drive about an hour to visit the winter and then go home.
As much as I love the weather, the state has gone rotten. When the wife retires we plan to move to another state. But don't worry it won't be yours.(too damm cold in the winter)

As I was growing up, my two much older brothers both lived in CA. One in Orange County, the other in the Bay Area. My folks and I would take a road trip every year to see them. I thought CA was the greatest place on earth! I went to boot camp in San Diego and later was stationed at El Toro. This was in the late 70's and I still thought I was the luckiest guy alive to live in such a place. Now that I have been back there a few times as an adult, I wouldn't give you a dollar for the whole state. It is truly sad what it has turned into.

[landman]

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The way things are going in the country, there may not be any decent state left to move to.

well there is allways Wyoming.:yep:

[dshelly]

well there is allways Wyoming.:yep:

A buddy of mine that I went to school with in Ohio moved to Cody right after High School. A few yrs. ago his wife got homesick for Ohio and they moved back. He been regretting it ever since.

[glwilson]

A buddy of mine that I went to school with in Ohio moved to Cody right after High School. A few yrs. ago his wife got homesick for Ohio and they moved back. He been regretting it ever since.

I would have let her go... :D

[ponch]

AZ ain't bad 7 months out of the year. If I had a summer home in Show Low or Prescott, may be it would be perfect. At least I don't have to shovel snow. :D

[glwilson]

AZ ain't bad 7 months out of the year. If I had a summer home in Show Low or Prescott, may be it would be perfect. At least I don't have to shovel snow. :D

Sister lived in Phoenix for nearly 20-years; and then moved to her 20-acres in Prescott Valley. Brother lives in Prescott.

The point is... I would live in Prescott over anywhere I have been in AZ, and I have been there a lot over 25 years. You can most often, easily get out of Prescott and ride your bike in Phoenix (or elsewhere south). Some I know in Prescott store their bikes near Phoenix so they can drive down and ride when Prescott has snow and cold.

To me, the summers in Phoenix are simply too hot to bear. However, where I live now sucks entirely. I was just in a meeting in Chicago with management discussing my ability to get out of here in the winter. It looks better and better for me to get out of here next winter. I can only hope; especially since what I do can be done from anywhere with technology. The hold-back are federal laws I have to contend with...

[ponch]

Sister lived in Phoenix for nearly 20-years; and then moved to her 20-acres in Prescott Valley. Brother lives in Prescott.

The point is... I would live in Prescott over anywhere I have been in AZ, and I have been there a lot over 25 years. You can most often, easily get out of Prescott and ride your bike in Phoenix (or elsewhere south). Some I know in Prescott store their bikes near Phoenix so they can drive down and ride when Prescott has snow and cold.

To me, the summers in Phoenix are simply too hot to bear. However, where I live now sucks entirely. I was just in a meeting in Chicago with management discussing my ability to get out of here in the winter. It looks better and better for me to get out of here next winter. I can only hope; especially since what I do can be done from anywhere with technology. The hold-back are federal laws I have to contend with...

Even snow and cold in Prescott isn't like the midwest. Anyway, I hope you make it out here.

[kawvoy]

:) so if the nomad engine is 1552cc's and is 95 cubic inches which
it is,how is it that the harley which is 1550 cc.s is 96 cubic inches?

Because the harley is 1584 c.i.

[glwilson]

Because the harley is 1584 c.i.

Correct. :tup:

[glwilson]

Even snow and cold in Prescott isn't like the midwest. Anyway, I hope you make it out here.

You are so very right on that; although occasionally my sister and brother say the wind can get nasty up there; which makes it sometimes pretty bad. But after this winter here in the Midwest, I am done with it.

We just now broke 1-degree above freezing for the first time since I can remember -- maybe all winter. I tell people, this year every snow-flake that hit the ground is still on the ground since nothing has ever thawed yet. Besides, I have never gone through a winter where the temps were consistently below zero, with it most times being -10 to -20 degrees.

It has just been nuts. With today's 33 degree high, I literally thought it felt warm Total BS... I am getting done with it...:cheers:

[TwoThumbs]

A friend has not been on a bike in a number of years and s looking to ride again. He asked if he could take mine around the school parking lot since he has to pass a riding test, I agreed. He did so well I offered to let him take it down the road a ways back to his convenience store and I followed in his truck, a first time offer on my part. When we reached the store a fella, I don't know, told him he should buy a "real motorcycle", and since he saw my friend hand me the bike keys I figure it was obviously my bike. I did not figure he was sharp enough to realize he just insulted my scooter so I did not get upset. So I stated that he could buy a "real motorcycle" or a good one. The fella said he was talking about a "Harley", one octave drop in his voice. I told him I was too. He called me "one of those smart a..es" I grinned real big and strolled into the store. Some times they are such easy targets that I ALMOST feel bad poking at them. Bless their little hearts.
Thanks for your time

Why didn't I get a Harley? Because being a Harley owner and being intelligent are mutually exclusive. (pause) Go ahead, I'll wait while you Google mutually exclusive.

[cactusjack]

Why didn't I get a Harley? Because being a Harley owner and being intelligent are mutually exclusive. (pause) Go ahead, I'll wait while you Google mutually exclusive.

That wasn't very nice.

[ponch]

Why didn't I get a Harley? Because being a Harley owner and being intelligent are mutually exclusive. (pause) Go ahead, I'll wait while you Google mutually exclusive.

Greg Scott and Mitch are some of the smartest people I know.

[TwoThumbs]

Cactus/Ponch - well considering most HD owners are d!cks to other riders, I could care less if it upsets people, if you aren't in that majority, then obviously you wouldn't make a comment about non-HD's not being real bikes, which would mean you wouldn't hear that comment.

Wow, I really just explained that....

[RACNRAY]

I just celebrated 40 tears ridin skoots,dad brought that shiny 1973 Suzuki TS125 endure home in the back of his work truck in December 1973.

Since then I have always thought a "real motorcycle" had 2 wheels, an engine and all the other stuff to make it go. Regardless of brand name. I truly know those are the basic facts.

Those that want to label their skoot a "real motorcycle" or claim yours(mine) is not a real motorcycle is coming from ego and arrogance and opinion, not facts.

I feel and will always feel sad for them, real sad.

RACNRAY

[cactusjack]

I have to take exception to your assertion that "most HD riders are dicks to other riders". Sure there are some, there are millions of HD owners; but "some other riders" are dicks as well.

[TwoThumbs]

Let me make an exact clarification of what I said so not to confuse anyone any further.

Of all the HD riders that I have encountered, the majority are d!cks. Yes, there are some really cool HD owners out there, just like there are some real a-hole metric riders, but considering this WHOLE post started over a slam of a metric bike, I added my two cents.

[RACNRAY]

The problem here is NOT WITH THE MOTORCYCLE!!! It is always a problem with the MOTORCYCLIST!!

In all my years ridin and being where there are more than one skoot parked, you NEVER see or hear skoots bickering amongst each other. They sit in silent respect for their fellow skoot. I have seen rat bikes parked next to beautifully customized skoots and they are friends. No snobbery, ego, arrogance being shown or displayed.

Then the humans step in and it can all go to hell.

I have always said it's not the skoot that is the problem, it's the ass sitting on the seat.

RACNRAY

[caribou]

I have to take exception to your assertion that "most HD riders are dicks to other riders". Sure there are some, there are millions of HD owners; but "some other riders" are dicks as well.

The problem here is NOT WITH THE MOTORCYCLE!!! It is always a problem with the MOTORCYCLIST!!

In all my years ridin and being where there are more than one skoot parked, you NEVER see or hear skoots bickering amongst each other. They sit in silent respect for their fellow skoot. I have seen rat bikes parked next to beautifully customized skoots and they are friends. No snobbery, ego, arrogance being shown or displayed.

Then the humans step in and it can all go to hell.

I have always said it's not the skoot that is the problem, it's the ass sitting on the seat.

RACNRAY

Well said. :tup:

[TwoThumbs]

Nicely done ray

[Teachme]

I agree. I was sitting at a bike shop on my volusia a few years ago and a guy came up pushinging a harley. I said hows it going to which he responded id rather push a harley than drive a jap bike. I hit the start button and said push on ahole push on.

[RACNRAY]

i agree. I was sitting at a bike shop on my volusia a few years ago and a guy came up pushinging a harley. I said hows it going to which he responded id rather push a harley than drive a jap bike. I hit the start button and said push on ahole push on.

thats precious!!!

Lmao

racnray

[danielw]

My last bike was my first and last harley I'll ever own. It was an 08 with less than 5k miles, fuel injected and all that... still managed to stall itself out when I would start it (bone stock from day one).. Handled horribly and rode like crap, but it was a nightster which is kind of a base model so I can't expect the world..But what's funny is I got the nomad for cheaper, with less miles. :tup:

Despite this, I still get heat about not riding a real motorcycle constantly. :yep:
At least it makes it easy to pick out the people who really ride. The last thing I'd want is something everyone else has as well, and to pay out the butt for it.

[ponch]

That wasn't very nice.

Can you imagine what he thinks of BMW riders? :D

[Dave]

Can you imagine what he thinks of BMW riders? :D

Guys that prefer grey poupon over yellow mustard?

[ponch]

Guys that prefer grey poupon over yellow mustard?

And carry the optional espresso maker in the topcase.

[Silent Sam]

Up's and Down's..Good And Bad
I know a guy (Steve Ritchie) ..of Pin Ball design fame (GOOGLE Him)
A couple years ago, he was offered a position with a large design corp. in Chicago.
So moved up there from Hollister California
Where these days he's doing well and doing what he enjoys for a mighty good income...
But every few weeks he sends an e-mail talking about the cold weather-traffic and flat lands of the area...and how much he misses motorcycling the coast range and the twisty two-lanes of central Calif
And here I sit...right in all he misses...and even with my -extensive experience- I cant find a job that pays anything close to a living wage ! (I'm glad I'm "semi-retired..and only work on a contract basis)
(..then of course it was the decline of real work in Calif that was why he moved)...
As soon as I recover from my annual case of the flu..I'll go for a nice ride..and send Steve an e-mail and a couple photo's...just to needle him ! ">)

[ponch]

Up's and Down's..Good And Bad
I know a guy (Steve Ritchie) ..of Pin Ball design fame (GOOGLE Him)
A couple years ago, he was offered a position with a large design corp. in Chicago.
So moved up there from Hollister California
Where these days he's doing well and doing what he enjoys for a mighty good income...
But every few weeks he sends an e-mail talking about the cold weather-traffic and flat lands of the area...and how much he misses motorcycling the coast range and the twisty two-lanes of central Calif
And here I sit...right in all he misses...and even with my -extensive experience- I cant find a job that pays anything close to a living wage ! (I'm glad I'm "semi-retired..and only work on a contract basis)
(..then of course it was the decline of real work in Calif that was why he moved)...
As soon as I recover from my annual case of the flu..I'll go for a nice ride..and send Steve an e-mail and a couple photo's...just to needle him ! ">)

I wonder how his wife feels about the move? I am in that position as we moved to AZ for my wife's job. I don't hate it here, just wish I could find permanent employment at a decent wage. Seems everything is contract and the pay scale needs some help. It's always something. If Moses made a right, the jews would have had all the oil. Sometimes I wish I made a right instead of left. :???:

[Silent Sam]

Left Turns..Right Turns...

Having made-ALL the turns in my travels...I have recrossed about all of my own trails...and been surprised to see that the last time I passed that way....I Stupidly passed on a grand oppertunity...in favor of persueing some pie-in-the-sky pseudo-oppertunity way out in the haze
This has happened several times that I know of...who knows how many times that I havent yet realized ! ? (One of the biggest wind-falls I passed on..was 2500 acres of free land...@3% interest for a gov "development loan/50 yrs pay off..and much more land as I wanted to invest in for 50 cents/acre..and I already had exclusive rights to all the crop dusting/spraying..in the entire sector...it was all rice production development....By now..had I gone with that oppertunity I'd be... well who knows !?.. and there have been other -possibles- just as good ! (but I'd have been to busy to go after all those aventure that now are only of any value, in a novel, as a non-fiction would not be believed)

Back to the topic....It's not just bikers who can be "Brand snob's"..I'v always found that some of the best people you will ever meet..are at the Airport....and the worst most Arrogant Ass-Holes....are at the Air Port

As for who "Has" all the oil....it's a fact you dont have to -have it- to control it !

[ponch]

Left Turns..Right Turns...

Having made-ALL the turns in my travels...I have recrossed about all of my own trails...and been surprised to see that the last time I passed that way....I Stupidly passed on a grand oppertunity...in favor of persueing some pie-in-the-sky pseudo-oppertunity way out in the haze
This has happened several times that I know of...who knows how many times that I havent yet realized ! ? (One of the biggest wind-falls I passed on..was 2500 acres of free land...@3% interest for a gov "development loan/50 yrs pay off..and much more land as I wanted to invest in for 50 cents/acre..and I already had exclusive rights to all the crop dusting/spraying..in the entire sector...it was all rice production development....By now..had I gone with that oppertunity I'd be... well who knows !?.. and there have been other -possibles- just as good ! (but I'd have been to busy to go after all those aventure that now are only of any value, in a novel, as a non-fiction would not be believed)

Back to the topic....It's not just bikers who can be "Brand snob's"..I'v always found that some of the best people you will ever meet..are at the Airport....and the worst most Arrogant Ass-Holes....are at the Air Port

As for who "Has" all the oil....it's a fact you dont have to -have it- to control it !

What's the old saying? Possession is 9/10ths of the law?

I don't like paying for the same real estate twice and that extends to mistakes. The good thing about getting around the birthday cake a few more times is that I start to recognize some mistakes before it's too late. Now I have to get to the point where I don't make mistakes at all. Still learning I guess. The truth is, everything is a pattern of some sort and recognizing them is half the battle.

[glwilson]

Cactus/Ponch - well considering most HD owners are d!cks to other riders, I could care less if it upsets people, if you aren't in that majority, then obviously you wouldn't make a comment about non-HD's not being real bikes, which would mean you wouldn't hear that comment.

Wow, I really just explained that....

Not so sure how many Harley owners you really see that are dicks... at least enough for you to say most are. Seems you spend a lot of time in your own mind creating scenarios of your own imagination. :lmao:

Seriously by the way... beards are not scary. I have never feared one in my life. :lmao::cheers:

[RichL]

To pile on....not that we need anymore convincing of the value of Harleys but check out Yahoo.com for this entry: "Harley-Davidson the Worst Motorcycle Money Can Buy? (http://hsrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=A2KLtYmPyAJTQWQBJx.bvZx4;_ylu=X3oDMTNuYWZrbDd wBGJwb3MDMQRjY29kZQNnYQRjcG9zAzE1BGN0AzEEZwM0NTEzY TIzYi0wMzUwLTMwMGMtOWY4Zi1mZjU3ZTc2NWU3ZjEEaW50bAN 1cwRwa2d0AzMEcG9zAzEEc2VjA3RkLXN0cm0Ec2xrA3RpdGxlB HRlc3QDOTAx/RV=1/RE=1393900943/RH=aHNyZC55YWhvby5jb20-/RO=2/RU=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5mb29sLmNvbS9pbnZlc3RpbmcvZ2VuZXJ hbC8yMDE0LzAyLzE3L2lzLWhhcmxleS1kYXZpZHNvbi10aGUtd 29yc3QtbW90b3JjeWNsZS1tb25leS1jYW4uYXNweD9zb3VyY2U 9ZW9neWhvbG5rMDAwMDAwMQ--/RS=%5EADAm9yfyl3dWiCX4CmzQwd7Vj18G00-) No. But Consumer Reports says it's darn close to it."

This article is from the Motley Fool website. Of course this won't cure "Harley Mentality" but you can only do so much for em.

PS I picked up my Nomad 2 years ago....sittin in a shop with a bunch of new and used Harleys....they all looked the same. The Nomad stood out from that crowd!

[ponch]

To pile on....not that we need anymore convincing of the value of Harleys but check out Yahoo.com for this entry: "Harley-Davidson the Worst Motorcycle Money Can Buy? (http://hsrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=A2KLtYmPyAJTQWQBJx.bvZx4;_ylu=X3oDMTNuYWZrbDd wBGJwb3MDMQRjY29kZQNnYQRjcG9zAzE1BGN0AzEEZwM0NTEzY TIzYi0wMzUwLTMwMGMtOWY4Zi1mZjU3ZTc2NWU3ZjEEaW50bAN 1cwRwa2d0AzMEcG9zAzEEc2VjA3RkLXN0cm0Ec2xrA3RpdGxlB HRlc3QDOTAx/RV=1/RE=1393900943/RH=aHNyZC55YWhvby5jb20-/RO=2/RU=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5mb29sLmNvbS9pbnZlc3RpbmcvZ2VuZXJ hbC8yMDE0LzAyLzE3L2lzLWhhcmxleS1kYXZpZHNvbi10aGUtd 29yc3QtbW90b3JjeWNsZS1tb25leS1jYW4uYXNweD9zb3VyY2U 9ZW9neWhvbG5rMDAwMDAwMQ--/RS=%5EADAm9yfyl3dWiCX4CmzQwd7Vj18G00-) No. But Consumer Reports says it's darn close to it."

This article is from the Motley Fool website. Of course this won't cure "Harley Mentality" but you can only do so much for em.

PS I picked up my Nomad 2 years ago....sittin in a shop with a bunch of new and used Harleys....they all looked the same. The Nomad stood out from that crowd!


BMWs rated a bit worse, but have about the same loyal base as HD. It's an inverse relationship between reliability and loyalty. It's all about what you believe.

[cactusjack]

To pile on....not that we need anymore convincing of the value of Harleys but check out Yahoo.com for this entry: "Harley-Davidson the Worst Motorcycle Money Can Buy? (http://hsrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=A2KLtYmPyAJTQWQBJx.bvZx4;_ylu=X3oDMTNuYWZrbDd wBGJwb3MDMQRjY29kZQNnYQRjcG9zAzE1BGN0AzEEZwM0NTEzY TIzYi0wMzUwLTMwMGMtOWY4Zi1mZjU3ZTc2NWU3ZjEEaW50bAN 1cwRwa2d0AzMEcG9zAzEEc2VjA3RkLXN0cm0Ec2xrA3RpdGxlB HRlc3QDOTAx/RV=1/RE=1393900943/RH=aHNyZC55YWhvby5jb20-/RO=2/RU=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5mb29sLmNvbS9pbnZlc3RpbmcvZ2VuZXJ hbC8yMDE0LzAyLzE3L2lzLWhhcmxleS1kYXZpZHNvbi10aGUtd 29yc3QtbW90b3JjeWNsZS1tb25leS1jYW4uYXNweD9zb3VyY2U 9ZW9neWhvbG5rMDAwMDAwMQ--/RS=%5EADAm9yfyl3dWiCX4CmzQwd7Vj18G00-) No. But Consumer Reports says it's darn close to it."

This article is from the Motley Fool website. Of course this won't cure "Harley Mentality" but you can only do so much for em.

PS I picked up my Nomad 2 years ago....sittin in a shop with a bunch of new and used Harleys....they all looked the same. The Nomad stood out from that crowd!

Wow, two posts and you're already insulting other members.

[manban9888]

That article is a bit misleading because the vast majority of the so called reliability issues were minor things not engine or clutch. Added to that is the fact that Harley sells Electra glides, Street glides and BMW w the GSA and GTL bikes have a ton of stuff that can go wrong compared to a much simpler sport bike.

[ponch]

That article is a bit misleading because the vast majority of the so called reliability issues were minor things not engine or clutch. Added to that is the fact that Harley sells Electra glides, Street glides and BMW w the GSA and GTL bikes have a ton of stuff that can go wrong compared to a much simpler sport bike.

BMWs have more that can go wrong, but there are common enough problems with some things that at least I would think they wouldn't have them to begin with or nip them in the bud quickly. My advice to anyone that wants to buy a BMW to get a model that has been out for at least 3 years. HD is more of a simple bike or at least no more complicated than most touring rigs. The 2014 adds some complexity, but it's still not cutting edge. It's not intended to be.

[RichL]

Wow, two posts and you're already insulting other members.

Hey CactusJack, my apologies if I offended you. My comments merely echoed similar sentiments expressed in this thread (and IMO are far less insulting than some of those I read). I am a motorcyclist first and foremost, owning and riding over 40 years. My current scoot is a Nomad besides two others in the garage. My riding mates cover the gamut from crotch rockets to full dressers, including HDs - we like to ride and if we express "brand loyalty" it is always in fun. If on the other hand I offended you because I am an FNG with "only" two posts then disregard what I just said....I guessI will always be an FNG to your 19k posts. I'll buy the first round if ever our paths cross. :cheers:

[Dave]

H I'll buy the first round if ever our paths cross. :cheers:

As cheap as Scott is, you'll always be buying. At least that is what I've heard about the guy and I get my info from a reliable source!! The same guy that breaks starch everyday with his shirts.

[waterman]

Hey CactusJack, my apologies if I offended you. My comments merely echoed similar sentiments expressed in this thread (and IMO are far less insulting than some of those I read). I am a motorcyclist first and foremost, owning and riding over 40 years. My current scoot is a Nomad besides two others in the garage. My riding mates cover the gamut from crotch rockets to full dressers, including HDs - we like to ride and if we express "brand loyalty" it is always in fun. If on the other hand I offended you because I am an FNG with "only" two posts then disregard what I just said....I guessI will always be an FNG to your 19k posts. I'll buy the first round if ever our paths cross. :cheers:

Rich, Scott gets offended easily at times:bs:. We have had a number of new members who came on here and wondered why someone such as Scott (originally owned a Nomad) who rides a HD is still here at a Kawi Bagger site. Well, I've known Scott since basically the start of the forum and have had the pleasure to shake his hand for 5 years now.

The HD mentality is one that you do see. If someone has that mentality they definitely wouldn't still be here harassing us Kawi Bagger riders. It has been the friendships developed here that are the reason many stay here. Scott is one here that did a bunch of work to his Nomad to make it what he wanted. When he wrecked it, he decided to buy what he had built it into since Kawi didn't have anything close to what he wanted.

Best thing you can do is plan on hitting a rally as soon as you can this summer. The North Central Region is planning on a rally in June that is based in Arkansas. If you really want to venture out, look into the NW region section and head out to Orofino, ID for a real rally :wave: with the SW and NW regions as well as a few Canucks that are planning on coming down.

[dshelly]

I too wondered why guys that have different bikes other than Kawis stayed here. But after going to the Rally last year at Estes, now I understand. These guys are all friends that started on Nomads and have built some very close friendships. I'll be going to Orfino this year too.

Once you attend a rally you look forward to the next one. :tup:

[Silent Sam]

...Well my 2 cents worth for...the moment... :>) (cause I'm seldom finished.at just one)

First of all...I love the 1st ammendment to the US Constitution..giving us ALL the chance(RIGHT) to speak up and insult anyone that may take offense..(tho I'm a sensitive sort..and try to be good to all differing opinions...(however in my "senior years" I have become -less- polite to that tribe of top floaters that now own all our info/entertaiment outlets, and who have maneuvered to re-set the Constitutional protections to cover --just themselves !

As for Big KAWK's Standing Out in a crowd...My big brother was building an Old School 62 Ford Falcon Street Rod...one winter down in Canon~City, Colo..went in a local part's house/snow mobile dearlership for something...and saw a 2002 Kawk DRIFTER sitting there...among several other types of bikes for sale...
A customer had just traded it in on two snow machines so he and his wife could go snow-slammin .....
Well tho it was mid winter..he bought it on the spot..and still has it !
Because it just "STOOD OUT"..from all the rest !

[waterman]

I too wondered why guys that have different bikes other than Kawis stayed here. But after going to the Rally last year at Estes, now I understand. These guys are all friends that started on Nomads and have built some very close friendships. I'll be going to Orfino this year too.

Once you attend a rally you look forward to the next one. :tup:

You better hope a newby shows up or you are still the beer assistant for the rally.:D

[Netnorske]

I too wondered why guys that have different bikes other than Kawis stayed here. But after going to the Rally last year at Estes, now I understand. These guys are all friends that started on Nomads and have built some very close friendships. I'll be going to Orfino this year too.

Once you attend a rally you look forward to the next one. :tup:

You better hope a newby shows up or you are still the beer assistant for the rally.:D

:lmao::lmao::lmao:...:cheers:!

[nomadtom69]

Joel do not forget the SouthEastern Rally at Elkins West Va. starts on June 9- June 13 everyone is welcome to come on down and visit We have TC & Cindy :tup:(on her Victory) will be there hope that does not keep everyone from coming:D

[dshelly]

You better hope a newby shows up or you are still the beer assistant for the rally.:D

If I am the beer assistant then I guess you are all on the wagon that week. :P:yep:

[waterman]

If I am the beer assistant then I guess you are all on the wagon that week. :P:yep:

Keep that up and we will make brad give you a hug.:lol: Now get me a beer.:cheers:

[waterman]

Joel do not forget the SouthEastern Rally at Elkins West Va. starts on June 9- June 13 everyone is welcome to come on down and visit We have TC & Cindy :tup:(on her Victory) will be there hope that does not keep everyone from coming:D

Sorry about that Tom. There is the Se and ne rallies as well. That might be closer than the western rally. Wish i could make them all.

[TwoThumbs]

Not so sure how many Harley owners you really see that are dicks... at least enough for you to say most are. Seems you spend a lot of time in your own mind creating scenarios of your own imagination. :lmao:

Seriously by the way... beards are not scary. I have never feared one in my life. :lmao::cheers:

You didn't read my follow up to the post you quoted.

If you are one of the people posting on a Kawa board as a former Kawa rider but now ride a HD, obviously my statement didn't apply to you. Simple fact, I haven't met an unfriendly person on this board that wasn't willing to help a fellow rider regardless of what they rode or the other person rode.

[kc_voyager]

I just tell them, Been there... Done that...

[glwilson]

You didn't read my follow up to the post you quoted.

If you are one of the people posting on a Kawa board as a former Kawa rider but now ride a HD, obviously my statement didn't apply to you. Simple fact, I haven't met an unfriendly person on this board that wasn't willing to help a fellow rider regardless of what they rode or the other person rode.

No problem... and yes I owned a Nomad and loved it. I made a switch because I was too lazy and untalented to put a trunk and other "stuff" on my Nomad to make it a tourer. I needed a tourer for the riding I do. So... long story is... I have short legs and an HD Ultra with a lowering-kit fit the bill. :lol:

Yeah... I am often the butt of the short jokes... :D

Regarding beards scaring me to where I am in fear... I cannot grow a beard, thus I am never in fear of a beard. It just simply will never happen. :D

Lastly, regarding HD riders... I hear what you said all the time from people, but have not personally seen much, if any of the attitudes. Certainly there are a few, and occasionally they get together to where it may seem like a lot of them exist. However, all-in-all, I just haven't seen it; which makes me think there are other reasons people say these things.

Lastly (again), I also ride a CanAm Spyder RTS. I ride it to the same spots I ride my motorcycle and I have never once been harassed about it. Only on this site do I catch crap about it... but then I just simply consider the source of harassment. :lol::cheers:

I have a lot of friends I have made on this site since joining in July of 2008. I like hearing from them, and giving them the grief they deserve. I assume they get the same pleasure in delivering it back.

Welcome aboard, and hopefully we'll run across each other at a rally or something someday! :cheers:

[ken]

Just read where the 1600 is rated at "95CuIn" and I appreciate having this info. Now for a dumb question....how does that equate to horsepower? I live in Europe and my registration does not quote HP. If you don't mind, a response to <krygwy@rocketmail.com> would be appreciated and excuse my ignorance.

[Loafer]

Ken there are no ignorant questions, I can't find the page, but
I believe the 1600 motor puts out about 65 hp. If you repost your
question in the 1500 / 1600 section. I'm sure the right person will
give you a better answer.

[cactusjack]

Just read where the 1600 is rated at "95CuIn" and I appreciate having this info. Now for a dumb question....how does that equate to horsepower? I live in Europe and my registration does not quote HP. If you don't mind, a response to <krygwy@rocketmail.com> would be appreciated and excuse my ignorance.

There is no direct correlation between engine displacement (cu in/cc) and power output (hp/torque). In other words, one can't derive the horsepower merely from knowing the displacement of a given engine.

[TwoThumbs]

No problem... and yes I owned a Nomad and loved it. I made a switch because I was too lazy and untalented to put a trunk and other "stuff" on my Nomad to make it a tourer. I needed a tourer for the riding I do. So... long story is... I have short legs and an HD Ultra with a lowering-kit fit the bill. :lol:



Yeah... I am often the butt of the short jokes... :D



Regarding beards scaring me to where I am in fear... I cannot grow a beard, thus I am never in fear of a beard. It just simply will never happen. :D



Lastly, regarding HD riders... I hear what you said all the time from people, but have not personally seen much, if any of the attitudes. Certainly there are a few, and occasionally they get together to where it may seem like a lot of them exist. However, all-in-all, I just haven't seen it; which makes me think there are other reasons people say these things.



Lastly (again), I also ride a CanAm Spyder RTS. I ride it to the same spots I ride my motorcycle and I have never once been harassed about it. Only on this site do I catch crap about it... but then I just simply consider the source of harassment. :lol::cheers:



I have a lot of friends I have made on this site since joining in July of 2008. I like hearing from them, and giving them the grief they deserve. I assume they get the same pleasure in delivering it back.



Welcome aboard, and hopefully we'll run across each other at a rally or something someday! :cheers:


If I meet ya at a rally, first round is on me!

[glwilson]

If I meet ya at a rally, first round is on me!

I order big drinks! :D:cheers:

[Silent Sam]

As it appear's.. 1500 = 95CuIn, is a "translation/conversion" of the 1500 cc, into 95 Cubic Inches..and not intended to indicate a Horse Power output ! ?

A "horsepower Calculation" requires the cly head combustion chamber area..number of "power strokes" per minute,(RPM) Lbs of fuel burned per ignition event/per stroke

..dang I could go out to the garage and get my "Aircraft power plant Engineering info...

on the other hand i'm sure there are some -younger minds- all full of fresh training/knowledge..on here somewhere that will jump in with the correct math formula !

[cactusjack]

That's right. There is no correlation between displacement and horsepower if the only known variable is the displacement. One liter = 61 cubic inches, so a Vulcan 1600 is actually 1552 cc's or 1.552 liters therefore 1.552 * 61 = 94.67 cubic inches.

[schoeney]

That's right. There is no correlation between displacement and horsepower if the only known variable is the displacement. One liter = 61 cubic inches, so a Vulcan 1600 is actually 1552 cc's or 1.552 liters therefore 1.552 * 61 = 94.67 cubic inches.


+1...case in point...My 1500cc Nomad had about 70hp....my 1300cc Honda has 125HP