Dan is a cop magnet! *video added*

[dantama]

I got a ticket today from the cop equivalent of nurse ratchet from one flew over the cuckoo's nest. No, worse than nurse ratchet.

I was riding along breaking no laws, and she was sitting in an oncoming lane, standing outside of her car. I knew I wasn't speeding, hadn't even changed lanes or any other things that could lead to an infraction, so I wasn't worried at all.

She got back in her car and did a u turn and came after me.

I was on a busy road with no shoulder, so worked my way quickly to the right lane and was at a side road when I got to the right lane, so I turned onto it and into a side lot.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/dantama/motorycle%20posts/IMG_5894withredline.jpg

Boy was she pissed, or she's just a bitch all the time. She asked, "what this called" pointing to where I just came from, and in a very irritated tone of voice. I said, I came in here because it's safer. She said, "I can worry about my own safety! you are supposed to pull to the right curb!"

It's not like I led her too far down the main road. It was signal move, signal move, signal move, then go around the corner into the lot.

So, what did I get a ticket for?

My visor not being low enough to count as eye protection!

It's not like she got me for other things, and only cited me for the visor, the visor was the only infraction there was.

I took a pic of the helmet, just as I had left it when I took it off. I didn't even know it was going to be the point of the stop, and took it off just as it was.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/dantama/motorycle%20posts/IMG_5896.jpg

It pissed her off that I took pictures while she was back in her car, but since I fight all my tickets in court, and figuring she was going to continue to make a big issue of where I pulled in, and I wanted pictures with her car still there.

I was already off the bike to get the insurance and registration out of the bags, but technically, I should have stayed by my bike.

And I thought she was pissy before I did that! :)

And that was just my first run in with the police today ;)

[flavor]

First are you sure the officer was a she.

If so I guess the crime rate in that area must be low because she had nothing else to do. Doesn't the windshield combined with the visor come into play. Have someone take a picture of you sitting on the bike showing how the combination would give you adequate eye protection even if you have to crouch when sitting on the bike.

What a beauty she must've been.

I'd be furious.

[nomad561]

Damn your luck.
Maybe you should have shown more cleavage.
I bet she is fairly new to the force.Writing tickets to justify her salary.

[dantama]

So then later I was stopped to take a picture in a place that had no traffic (it was the green bridge I climbed and posted about). A motor cycle cop came and told me I was stopped on a pedestrian way. Pavement, then a pedestrian way all the same level, no break in between, rarely used if there isn't a Broncos game. At least he only gave me a warning, but told me it was a big ticket.

So after both of those I was kind of off of the cop scene today.

So on to home I went. When I got close to home, and going just past where I got the ticket, but the opposite way. I noticed a photo radar van parked in the shade of the trees in the median. I left the light first and was out in front of a pack of cars.

I slowed and let the cars gain on me, then did the hand extended, moving up and down gesture. all the cars in all four lanes slowed down to the speed limit. No photo tickets for that group! :)

The radar vans have to have a technician inside monitoring in Denver, so I'm sure he saw my nice warning to the pack of cars. He must have radioed another cop up ahead because a motorcycle cop pulled in behind me and followed me. I changed lanes, he changed lanes. They must have been wanting to return the favor as soon as I made an error. I didn't make one, and he did a u turn and went back after a few blocks.

I'm a cop magnet :(

[samkjr]

Dan my Man. That is hilarious! This just further justifies all of my, and many others', thoughts of dung head cops. I know there are a couple cops on the forum, and they may be nice. But this is how the vast majority of us have any contact with police.

I believe that in Virginia you do not need to be wearing eye protection when you have a full windshield.

[cactusjack]

This wouldn't have happened here in AZ. Your windshield is considered "eye protection" in our fair state.

Be sure to let us know how it turns out. I'd think by now, most of the Denver PD would recognize you and wouldn't think it is worth the hassle to pull you over. ::)

[Yellow Jacket]

This kind of BS makes people lose respect for law enforcement.

I try to have respect for all law enforcement officers. They have a difficult job to do. I have family members that are in law enforcement.

But this kind of nonsense is what gives the entire group a poor image. Some people just shouldn't be in law enforcement.

[jasperboy]

That is horrible! I once got pulled over and the officer simply stated that "since it was February in Ohio, I must have been violating some law as no one in there right mind would be riding in 30 degree weather". I was on my way to trade in my bike, on a new one and had full insurance year round, no vilolations, and nothing wrong on the bike. I asked him if this might be classified as profliling or harasment and he said he could arrest me for "probable cause". I said I wanted to make a phone call to the local judge my dad was friends with, and he got even more aggravated. Finally after about a 15 minute "stand off" he said to turn around and ride home. I again told him I planned to continue to my destination, transact my business and ride home. He finally backed off, but I know have some idea what minotities endure when getting pulled over for simply "DWB" driving while black. I still respect those that serve, but every profession has A**HOLES!

[ringadingh]

Some of them need to be put against a wall and shown the business end of a 45. Theres no reason for a lot of their stupid attitudes.

[dantama]

This is officer Michele Guzman.... and her man belly.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/dantama/motorycle%20posts/cop2.jpg

[blowndodge]

Well I'm profiling that pic and that pic says it all! I bet if you were riding a piece of sh*t beat up taped together van belching smoke with a mustache and dark tan you would have never been pulled over

[blowndodge]

Don't worry Dan.

I copied that picture (added a little photoshop to it) and sent it via email to Denver City Hall asking how could such a fat slob of a female be qualified to be a peace officer.

I signed it Dan Lund (expanded sir name)

I'm sure you'll be hearing from them soon!

[cactusjack]

This is officer Michele Guzman.... and her man belly.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/dantama/motorycle%20posts/cop2.jpg

"man belly"?? http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[ringadingh]

It doesn't look like she's passed up many donuts in her travels. I think I seen her in the gay pride parade a few weeks ago. ;)

[macmac]

NH has no lid law and the screen does it as eye protection here too.

I think you should send her a box of donuts... and file a complaint.

And what the hell is a photo ticket? man if you wanna ticket me you have to catch me in the act or I don't know nuthin...

Send me a picture of my car and i will have you BUSTED for being a peeping tom. EZ pass tried that. They wanted 26 dollars because i failed to pay a person, and i failed because no person was there.

I sent them a buck and told them something I can't say here with out being nannied.

EZ pass is in friggin NJ not NH, and I could care aless what people in NJ think in the first place. I wouldn't mind if they sent me all their blond blue eyed daughters though....

Picture tickets... picture this!~ http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[eagleman]

Dan some guys just have all the luck. WOW - what a day - glad you were able to survive all the harassment. Hopefully that will be the end of it for you for awhile. The motorcycle cops I am sure are jealous at how will you can handle your Nomad. I am sure they have not met many with your ability to control that bike as you do. Wish you the best in the future...... http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

Eagleman

[dantama]

Don't worry Dan.

I copied that picture (added a little photoshop to it) and sent it via email to Denver City Hall asking how could such a fat slob of a female be qualified to be a peace officer.

I signed it Dan Lund (expanded sir name)

I'm sure you'll be hearing from them soon!

LOL,

Here is a video of her. And taking BD's lead, just for the sport of it on the tags for the video I added slut, bitch, dyke, and whore.

Not that anyone will know, but I enjoyed it for a few seconds anyway. :)

Here is the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OdaLgCHp04

[Todd]

This is officer Michele Guzman.... and her man belly.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/dantama/motorycle%20posts/cop2.jpg

AHHHHHHHHHHHH....my eyes!!

I read that on your FB earlier today Dan and couldn't believe it.......you must have it written across your chest or something! :-/

[dantama]

Here is what the transcript says

Guzman, exits car and walks towards me and bike. I’m filming with camera- What are you doing?

Me- I prefer not to say.

Cop- Excuse me?

Me- I prefer not to say.

Cop- OK put the camera down.

Cop- Pause.. Alright.

Cop- You can take pictures of your helmet all you want to, and this entire area all you want to. The law is very clear, you have to wear eye protection, so if your visor is up, you’re not wearing it. Ok… When you are pulled over on a traffic stop, you pull over on the right, it’s very simple. And when you’re in a traffic stop, you don’t get to walk around and take pictures of whatever you are taking pictures of. Pause… That is an officer safety issue with me. OK.

Will you look at me please, I’m talking to you.

Me- No

Cop- No what?

Cop- No what sir?

Me- Is there anything more that you need from me?

Cop- Do you understand what I’m telling you?

Me- I prefer to remain silent.

Cop- Just tell me if you understand sir, because I’m required to explain all this to you. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

Me- I prefer to remain silent.

Cop- Do you want me to explain the ticket to you.. er.. probably going to remain silent about that as well.

Me- I will accept the ticket.

Cop- Slaps the ticket onto the seat, flinging the drivers license onto the ground- There you go sir, you have a great.. unintelligible as she walks back and gets in her car.

[psychocycle]

What a day, Dan. Park your bike, have a cool beer(s) and think nice thoughts.

[taranis]

WTG, Dan! I hope you embarrass the crap out of that worthless excuse for a cop when you go to court.

[jamiep24]

Damned, Dan, she's hot! You need to ask her out....All I can say is y'all must have no crime at all in Colorado for the cops to be that bored.

[billz410]

Well at first I was pissed for Dan's sake, now I'm laughing so hard MY man belly hurts. This is a classic!!!

[lw]

Well Dan, in her defense, you know that fall is coming on, and bears DO tend to pack it on before they hibernate. . .

Or it could have been your wardrobe. Maybe it's time to relegate the "Bad Cop, No Donut" t-shirt to bike washing duty instead of wearing it riding?

[johnb]

That cop had no common sense. Probably a damned Liberal! Hopefully the Judge will throw it out! I have full respect for the job cops have to do, but not when they act in arbitrary ways like this.

When I first started riding, I was pulled over in March. I did nothing wrong and the cop could not find anything wrong. All he said was that "usually most people insure their bikes for 6 months from April to September". I had just bought the bike and have always kept the bike insured year round. What worried me though, was that my license wasn't proper because somehow when I first got my drivers license, it came through with both the car and motorcycle endorsement. I never applied for a motorcycle license, but got one and this was the acid test. By the way, since then I've done what I needed to learn to ride properly and keep practicing.

[AlabamaNomadRider]

Well guys, here are some of my thoughts. First of all, I feel that police officers should have more important things to do than issuing tickets for minor things. That BS really burns my a$$ up. Why don't they try to solve a fee crimes such as murders, rapes and all this BS with drugs. I have never done drugs and never will. I have enough going in my life that I don't need drugs to feel high. I have had a ton of tickets driving cars. Sure some I deserved and others I didn't.

I think most states don't require glasses, goggles or anything else if you have a windshield. I don't think Alabama requires anything but a helmet even if you don't have a windshield.

I have been very fortunate riding bikes, knock on wood, I have never had a ticket for anything and have been riding bikes since I was in my early twenties. I have been very fortunate.

Dan, I would definitely fight the ticket you got. Seems like she was just trying to be a smart a$$ or trying to reach her quota.

[chainsaw]

Dan, I think they should make you an honorary cop by now. Bad Boy, Bad Boy, whatcha gonna do?

[darthvulcan]

Still shaking my head after reading this and watching the video! Holy crap, Dan. Cop-magnet indeed!

I'm guessing it wouldn't have been a good time to ask if she wouldn't mind posing provocatively on your bike for the next Kawasaki scavenger hunt pic?? Since ya got the camera ready and all... http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[ells]

And we shouldn't forget, we were in Custer all of about 5 minutes last June before Dan got pulled over there. Don't know what he's got but by jigger, he's got it.

[dandolfn]

Be sure to let us know how it turns out.

When's your court date?

I'm really lucky. I live outside a town with a population of around 1000. I can drive most directions and not see a cop.

Once, I rode 45 miles on two lane highway and only saw two pickup trucks and three bikes, with no cops.

I enjoy my riding!!

:-)

[cactusjack]

I am watching my mailbox for the next few days. I think I may be receiving a photo citation from the city of Tempe in the mail. I got caught by a red-light camera going through an intersection last week. The light turned yellow just before I got to the crosswalk lines and rather than lock the tires up, I kept going and saw the flash. If I get one it will be about a $200 ticket.

[Jared]

LOL... Sorry about the crappy luck, Dan.

Alright - I'll be the one as some one in Law Enforcement to step up and say something:

She stopped you for a violation. You admit it. Cops jobs are to make contact with people who are commiting offenses. Sometimes will use a small thing in order to find out what people are up to. I have had many drug arrests, DUI's, and warrants out of trucks not having mud flaps which are required by Idaho State Law.

If you walked around on my traffic stop I would address it too. On a stop I am responsible for EVERYONES safety. I require motorists and passengers to stay in their vehicles, and motorcyclists to sit on or lean against their bikes. She let you walk around farther than I would have and I'm pretty low key.

I would wonder why you didn't pull over immediately. I realize in your world of whatever you do Dan you don't have to think about it, but sometimes criminals get off the road and into a parking lot or unpopulated area in order to ambush the officer. YOU don't have to think about things like that, I (and she) does.

I'm sorry everyone here finds her physique amusing. I'll admit, I don't want her on my department's recruitment poster but I've done this job long enough not to judge that. Maybe she just spent 10 years as a Detective dealing with child molestors. Interviewing them, pretending to be their friend in order to get a confession. No stress there is there. Dealing with dead childrent that have been raped or molested. Maybe five years ago she was in great shape and like my brother, responded to a crash where a logging truck had tipped over on a highway. Maybe the logs had crushed the driver and the only thing she could do was hold his hand while he died, even though she wanted to do more. Maybe she's just a detective filling in a patrol spot because and officer was killed and she wants to make sure everyone on his team can go to the funeral. Bottom line is I'll bet she responds better when the bullets start flying than you do. I'm in no place to judge why she looks how she does, but many others seem able to.

Lastly, she was professional with you. At least the contact I saw. She was matter of fact yes. She wanted to make sure you understood ticket and you were being passive aggresive about it.

I have seen several of your posts about your tickets Dan. There are a couple of common denominators in your threads: Your violation never warrants being pulled over and THE COP always has an attitude. Maybe the problem is yours. Go fight your ticket. You have your right to do that - I don't care. But to you and all of you who chose to partake in this, go on a ride-along with your local agency. If you haven't it will open your eyes.

For Dan, why didn't you talk to her. She's an adult and your an adult. You could have spoken to her plainly, maybe apologized for not pulling over right away. But you chose the whole passive aggressive, "I'd like to remain silent". I'll extend you and invitation to come over to my neck of the woods and I will take you on a ride-along so maybe you can get a different perspective.

Other than that, there are plenty of cop slamming blogs and sites, why don't you go post your video and diatribes over there.

[skeeter]

I woulda got off with a simple warning, yessireemaam.

who made that law up? kinda like having to wear seat belts.

[blowndodge]

Dan, now look what you've done and caused! A CONTROVERSY! http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

Next time you get a ticket for your shield being slightly cracked open realize that giving you a ticket was for your own good! Your town is much safer now that your visor is shut.

To be honest yridehd, if I did a ride along with you and you pulled over a single biker on a stock motorcycle because of a slightly cracked open shield I'd laugh and think you were Barney Fife.

Nothing personal but I wouldn't want an officer who pulled me over for such an insignificant thing (yes technically illegal in Denver I suppose) be the one pulling her weapon. I wouldn't have much confidence of her reasonableness to handle that situation.

I believe that if Dan was riding with 50 Hell's Angles dress in their colors with a cracked open face shield that officer wouldn't have pulled them over. Dan was an easy mark.

Now Dan behave!

Actually BD your totally wrong and missed part of my earlier message. I have stopped many, many, people for "insignificant" infractions. Sometimes I find felony warrants, dope, DUI, or a multitude of more serious crimes.

I base my issuance of citations on what it will take to change behavior. Since Dan has been so forthcoming about his driving history, I can tell you many police officers will look at his driving history and decide that while they stopped him for a minor offense they wouldn't normally issue a citation for, based on his driving history, he has a history of not following traffic law. Not to mention attitude plays a part in the situation from time to time. So in order to change behavior, he gets a cite.

Your also making the assumption that because Dan has a stock bike and a full face helmet that he must not be a criminal. Chances are he's not, but I have stopped many people who are commiting serious crimes but don't necessarily have the "token" criminal look.

And on that note, if I stop someone because they don't wear a helmet, have an '88 sporty that's taped together, with a bad weld in the neck to make it a chopper, aren't I profiling (the word our liberal media likes to throw around)?

Bottom line is, good crooks know what we look for. My job is to out smart them. I also wouldn't have let Dan point his cell phone anywhere. Now I really don't care if dan photos me or videos me doing my job. I do a good job whether I'm on camera or not. Why? because they now make cell phones that hold several small calibre (.22's / .32's) bullets. They work like phones and will also send several rounds down range. Now, I would have told Dan he could take as many photos of his helmet as he wanted, as soon as I'm gone. Again, YOU don't have to worry about that. I do.

By the way - I have stopped fifty HA. Most of em shook my hand when I was done. I don't think they are good people. I was firm and fair when I spoke to them, they gave me mutual respect, asked follow up questions about laws in my state. Asked for directions ( I gave them a better highway to take to Sturgis). I gave their prospects a little bit a flack and warned the guys at the end of the group for their "minor" traffic violation.

Why is it my contact with an outlaw biker group can go better than Dan's helmet stop?

[schoeney]

Ø Colorado Eye Protection Law: If you are riding on or operating a Colorado motorcycle, you are required by law to wear eye protection.



C.R.S.A. § 42-4-232

§ 42-4-232. Minimum safety standards for motorcycles and motor-driven cycles


(1) No person shall operate any motorcycle or motor-driven cycle on any public highway in this state unless such person and any passenger thereon is wearing goggles or eyeglasses with lenses made of safety glass or plastic.

(2) The department shall adopt standards and specifications for the design of goggles and eyeglasses.

[johnb]

Hey Ells, was that cop in Custer a "Babe" like this one........ROFLMAO

[gghost]

Move to North Carolina. No eye protection required.

[flavor]

You can say what you want but that was a BS stop. I, and I believe most people have the utmost respect for police officers. The fact that an officer has had bad experince on the job should not influence how they treat someone in a non related issue. Officers need to treat every issue as it's own situation. That's not to say that an officers experience should be forgotten. It should be used as knowledge.

To me it is clear that pulling off where he did wasn't a case of an ambush. That area was open.

If Dan's visor was as he showed, his eyes were protected by both the visor and the windshield.

Personally I always say yes sir, and no sir because I know that an officer can always come up with something to give a summons for. Maybe Dan wouldn't have gotten the ticket if he handled himself that way but the actions with the camera should not have influenced the officers decision in whether or not a ticket should be written. I think if I was the officer I'd be laughing to myself about him with the camera.



Alright - I'll be the one as some one in Law Enforcement to step up and say something:

She stopped you for a violation. You admit it. Cops jobs are to make contact with people who are commiting offenses. Sometimes will use a small thing in order to find out what people are up to. I have had many drug arrests, DUI's, and warrants out of trucks not having mud flaps which are required by Idaho State Law.

If you walked around on my traffic stop I would address it too. On a stop I am responsible for EVERYONES safety. I require motorists and passengers to stay in their vehicles, and motorcyclists to sit on or lean against their bikes. She let you walk around farther than I would have and I'm pretty low key.

I would wonder why you didn't pull over immediately. I realize in your world of whatever you do Dan you don't have to think about it, but sometimes criminals get off the road and into a parking lot or unpopulated area in order to ambush the officer. YOU don't have to think about things like that, I (and she) does.

I'm sorry everyone here finds her physique amusing. I'll admit, I don't want her on my department's recruitment poster but I've done this job long enough not to judge that. Maybe she just spent 10 years as a Detective dealing with child molestors. Interviewing them, pretending to be their friend in order to get a confession. No stress there is there. Dealing with dead childrent that have been raped or molested. Maybe five years ago she was in great shape and like my brother, responded to a crash where a logging truck had tipped over on a highway. Maybe the logs had crushed the driver and the only thing she could do was hold his hand while he died, even though she wanted to do more. Maybe she's just a detective filling in a patrol spot because and officer was killed and she wants to make sure everyone on his team can go to the funeral. Bottom line is I'll bet she responds better when the bullets start flying than you do. I'm in no place to judge why she looks how she does, but many others seem able to.

Lastly, she was professional with you. At least the contact I saw. She was matter of fact yes. She wanted to make sure you understood ticket and you were being passive aggresive about it.

I have seen several of your posts about your tickets Dan. There are a couple of common denominators in your threads: Your violation never warrants being pulled over and THE COP always has an attitude. Maybe the problem is yours. Go fight your ticket. You have your right to do that - I don't care. But to you and all of you who chose to partake in this, go on a ride-along with your local agency. If you haven't it will open your eyes.

For Dan, why didn't you talk to her. She's an adult and your an adult. You could have spoken to her plainly, maybe apologized for not pulling over right away. But you chose the whole passive aggressive, "I'd like to remain silent". I'll extend you and invitation to come over to my neck of the woods and I will take you on a ride-along so maybe you can get a different perspective.

Other than that, there are plenty of cop slamming blogs and sites, why don't you go post your video and diatribes over there.

[nomad561]

I was recenty driving my pickup pulling my motorcycle trailer in Georgia and was litup by a Deputy for not having a tag on the trailer.(not required in SC)Instead of stopping on the interstate I proceded to the next offramp(about 2 miles away)because I wanted to pull over in safer location.NOTHING was said about it and the Deputy was very PROFESSIONAL and WITHOUT ATTITUDE.
LEOs have a dangerous job,but above all else,they are public servants,something I think some(not all) forget.Professional appearance as well as attitude are requirements for the job.
As far as any personal problems,leave them at home,just as you should leave work problems at the job.
I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes,but I have been there done that. I know it is a thankless job but that doesn't entitle anyone the right to harass another.Laws are supposed to be enfored as written in their entirerty,not interpreted to fit the situation.

[Todd]

On the pull over immediately issue:

I tell my daughter (17) emphatically to not pull over, unless it is a clearly marked vehicle that she can clearly see in the light, until she gets to a public place or my home.

I realize this was a clearly marked vehicle BUT, I would have done exactly what Dan did and pull to a spot outside of traffic for not only my safety, but the officers....with the blue light flashing and all the rubber-neckers, it creates an incredible hazard for not only the stopped vehicles, but the officer and citizen. My personal opinion, and its only that, is that Dan did the best thing here by pulling over in a safe area.......Now, I would have yes maamed and no-maamed her to death and told her I was concerned for her safety etc etc....but that's me......expecting you to do that, Dan would be like expecting CactusJack to have a white Christmas at his house http://s2.images.proboards.com/cheesy.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/cheesy.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/cheesy.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/cheesy.gif

Back to my daughter.. we have once or twice a year..the blue light impersonators around here. If an individual officer doesn't understand why a teenage girl, or anyone for that matter, would do this...they are sorely misinformed.

I have done ride alongs with traffic patrol up to intensive probation officer visits in places that I can't even imagine people living in...........I sincerely appreciate what our law enforcement officers do and DO NOT want their job , I thank you all who do it honorably.

[phenrichs]

Wow, when I started reading this I didn't think it would turn this way.

I can understand your point yridehd. Please don't take this as a jab at officers or a personal thing. I just want to ask, other than your obvious committment and devotion to your service (thank you by the way) I wonder why you so fervently defend someone you do not know.

I understand that perhaps the jabs at this particular officer may have gone a little far but could it be possible that she is one of those "grumpy" cops that we all know exist. Perhaps she has a bias against riders and looks for something to pick on. Perhaps not and perhaps all the officers in the area have been warned to look out for Dan. Sorry Dan but you ain't exactly got a squeaky clean driving record.

Just asking.

That said Dan I wonder if there are any houses for sale in your neighborhood cause she had time to look for you. Not to mention that her eyes are top notch to see your cracked helmet visor. I don't know how the LEOs keep all the laws straight. Seems to me that that law would be way down on the list of ones to remember unless she was a rider, knows a rider, or has stopped a lot of riders before (going back to my previous statement of bias).

[trip]

Hmmm...why am I surprised that Dan got stopped in Denver? Hell, he got stopped the first 5 minutes after we arrived in Custer. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif Cop magnet? Hell, Dan is a friggin' black hole for cops.

Being a member of the Texas Blue Knights and knowing many of the cops in my county, I'd say you wouldn't have to worry, in my area about getting pulled over for having your visor up. I ride all the time with my visor up.

Truth be known, she probably had a fight with her "husband/SO/butch/whatever" that morning and was not in a good mood. Also, IMHO Dan, if you would have just cooperated a little, you probably would have just gotten a warning. But, you know the Denver area better than I do.

Here in Tyler, TX, you probably wouldn't have been pulled over at all. Also, law enforcement here would have had no problem with you stopping on a side street.

I think she just needs to get laid. You Dan, were the logical candidate.

[phenrichs]

There you go Dan. Call her up. Maybe you can "work something out"

[Todd]

I think she just needs to get laid. You Dan, were the logical candidate.

OK Trip...that will cost you keyboard and monitor for the Pepsi I just spit all over it...........

[trip]

Just bill me Toddster.... http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif RLMAO

[dantama]

Or it could have been your wardrobe. Maybe it's time to relegate the "Bad Cop, No Donut" t-shirt to bike washing duty instead of wearing it riding?

Hmm, perhaps a different shirt would be in order lol.






I'm guessing it wouldn't have been a good time to ask if she wouldn't mind posing provocatively on your bike for the next Kawasaki scavenger hunt pic?? Since ya got the camera ready and all... http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif


Oh the things that I could have said…. If I wasn’t planning to see her in front of a judge.

That would have been one of the funniest. 

[billz410]

Well this is all very interesting. Leave it ol' Dan :)

As far as the partially open visor being a bull#### stop, I can see that point, I guess. But, one time when I was doing a ride-along with a South Dakota Highway Patrolman, we stopped a vehicle that was doing 37 MPH in a 35 MPH zone. It was early on a Saturday morning (1 AM) and in relative proximity to a bar.

Nonetheless, I thought to myself, "This officer has got to be crazy for bothering a vehicle going 2 MPH over." The driver ended up having a BAC over .20 and no driver license. So was it still a bull#### stop? Some will say it still was, unless you've had some dumba## drunk driver injure you, your property, or someone you know.

I can also see Dan's motive in taking pictures and video to use in his upcoming court appearance. But it's a bad idea to go walking around when you've been stopped by an officer. Dan may not look like a boy 'in the hood', but his neat or normal appearance, whatever you want to call it, doesn't automatically disqualify him from being a potential threat to the officer.

Furthermore, while Dan is out walking around and gets smacked by another car (unlikely given the parking area he was in, I know) then what?

My brother was stopped for speeding in a small North Dakota town, and while the officer was in his car writing the ticket, my brother decides he's going to get out of his car and open the trunk to look for something. I have no idea why he did something so stupid, but he ended up sitting in the backseat of the patrol car for the rest of the stop.

I wear a full-face helmet myself and often have the visor up at low speeds in town, it's hot out, whatever. Our laws in AZ are different than Colorado, though. I DO see both sides- just wanted to throw my two cents in .

[cnc]

You think she was pissed when she pulled you over, Wait till she sees herself on youtube! http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif
Seriously, your word against hers on if the visor was down far enough for eye protection. I would presume she only got a look at it while you were moving and you picture of your visor should count for more than here word with no picture.

[cactusjack]

Pulling over to the side of a busy road or freeway around here can get you killed. I can't begin to count the number of times I've read in the paper or seen on the news about a cop or motorist who was injured or killed while pulled over on the side of the road. Several years ago a rookie female DPS officer had stopped to help a motorist who was stopped on the shoulder of a connector ramp. A vehicle was barreling down the shoulder, straight for the DPS cruiser. The cop jumped over the guardrail, not realizing she was 70 feet off the ground. You can guess the rest.

Most of the encounters I've had with law enforcement have been very positive. Well, maybe not positive considering I was getting a citation, but positive in the sense that the officers were professional and courteous. I am always courteous and respectful in return.

Having an attitude or acting like Dan does (sorry, Dan) won't get you very far. Maybe it's from my military service, but respect given is usually respect earned. I wouldn't want to be a LEO for all the tea in China. They have no idea if they are pulling over a drunk, a crack head, or an armed felon with 7 outstanding warrants who will do anything to keep from getting locked up again.

Having said that, I believe officers should exercise some discretion and common sense when it comes to pulling people over. There are bigger fish to fry than someone who maybe opened their helmet visor to get a little extra air.

[waterman]

Dan,

Just remind me to never ride with you in an area with lots of cops!!!! ;)

About the pull over, personally I feel that it was B.S. Could she tell that you didn't have glasses on under the visor???? Also on the fact that you pulled into a parking lot and she complained about it. B.S. again. I personally know of a cop who lost both legs due to being hit during a pull over in a high traffic area.

[blowndodge]

All professions have their A$$holes. Lawyers, Doctors, Dentists, Psychologist, and yes even peace officers.

If someone had a bad legal experience and flames the one jerk openly I have no business defending all in that profession and all they do for society with their service or by defending the Constitution.

A$$holes is A$$holes. Police are no exception.

[phenrichs]

A$$holes is A$$holes.

Very well stated BD.

[blowndodge]

I am pro police. I usually stop when I'm on my bike when out in the middle of nowhere and see a motorcop pulled over by themselves. Always asking if I can help (in case he/she is stuck) I'm always met with thanks from them and usually we end up talking about how long each of us has been riding and the bikes we've owned!

[dantama]

Alright - I'll be the one as some one in Law Enforcement to step up and say something:

She stopped you for a violation. You admit it.

Yride, I don’t recall admitting it. I haven’t looked up the statute yet, but will to plan my defense. If glasses don’t have to extend below your nose, I’m not sure that the law will be interpreted that the shield also has to. I’m not at all sure that I was stopped legally.








Sometimes will use a small thing in order to find out what people are up to. I have had many drug arrests, DUI's, and warrants out of trucks not having mud flaps which are required by Idaho State Law.


We will disagree on whether the founding fathers wrote the constitution thinking that cops would be out doing fishing expeditions using mud flaps, or if they wanted cops to only interfere when probable cause is there. Stopping people just to see if they have drugs isn’t the way it was supposed to work. They were supposed to first be suspected of having drugs.

We can just agree to disagree on that one :)




I would wonder why you didn't pull over immediately. I realize in your world of whatever you do Dan you don't have to think about it, but sometimes criminals get off the road and into a parking lot or unpopulated area in order to ambush the officer. YOU don't have to think about things like that, I (and she) does.



Here is a photo of how I pulled over.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/dantama/motorycle%20posts/denverco-GoogleMapsredline.jpg

I didn’t pull over immediately, because I was in the left lane. I signaled, and at the same time turned my head and looked behind at the lane next to me, and seeing that it was clear moved into it. Repeat, repeat, repeat, till I was in the right lane. There is no shoulder on the road at all. When I got over, the road I pulled into was right in front of me, so I turned right into it. There was an empty lot immediately there, so I used it.

All of my actions were predictable, and smooth. I exaggerated my head turns so she would know when I was moving over, and I moved one at a time over, but quickly. I think you are being extra defensive on this one, and a non defensive cop would have absolutely no problem with how I moved over at all.

I could post 10 clips from you tube showing cops pulled on the side of the road during a stop, and a car getting target fixation and hitting the cop car and pushing it into the car that was stopped. You can see from my photo that the only difference from where I pulled over, to the dotted line against the curb was negligible.

You guys will just have to suck it up and deal with it if I see a safer place to pull over :)






I'm sorry everyone here finds her physique amusing. I'm in no place to judge why she looks how she does, but many others seem able to.

Maybe she just spent 10 years as a Detective dealing with child molesters….. etc. etc. etc.



The blue brotherhood runs strong and deep. I’m a psychotherapist, and I don’t feel the need to protect any objectifying comments made about any other therapist who I don’t even know. I have never once come to the defense of another therapists physical looks. Must be a cop thing.

And as far as a stressful job, remember that it is voluntary. We are all doing what we want to be doing the most, of the choices we know are out there. You want to be a cop more than any other choice available, and so does she. Choosing it, and then thinking that you should be compensated for you choice by no one ever criticizing your physics due to the stress you wanted as a career, is strange to me.

I said she has a man belly, and she does. Is it objectifying? Yup. If you posted a picture of a fat therapist and made a comment, would I get all worked up about a fellow professional being criticized about their physic, not a chance. It’s a cop thing.

BTW, I’ll bet I’ve interviewed more child molesters, and in more depth than she has. :)





Bottom line is I'll bet she responds better when the bullets start flying than you do.


That should be a given, that’s the training she was drawn to. And fire fighters can put out fires better than I can. Seamstresses sew better, and Brad Pitt looks and acts better. ;)





Lastly, she was professional with you. At least the contact I saw. She was matter of fact yes. She wanted to make sure you understood ticket and you were being passive aggressive about it.

I have seen several of your posts about your tickets Dan. There are a couple of common denominators in your threads: Your violation never warrants being pulled over and THE COP always has an attitude. Maybe the problem is yours. Go fight your ticket. You have your right to do that - I don't care.

For Dan, why didn't you talk to her. She's an adult and your an adult. You could have spoken to her plainly, maybe apologized for not pulling over right away. But you chose the whole passive aggressive, "I'd like to remain silent".



I think I’ve posted about two tickets, and three stops. Yup, the one where the cop kept speeding up and blocking my entry to the freeway, then in court said that she “had” to do that to get a reading on her radar… Yup, I didn’t think that was good policing.

The stop in Custer, it was a dedicated turn arrow, that turns yellow and then becomes a regular green light turn when it is safe to do so, light. 2 or 3 of us went through when it was yellow. I was the last one. I cleared the intersection before the oncoming cars had a chance to start moving, so they didn’t have to yield to me. You can turn left on any green light when an oncoming car isn’t made to yield for you. It was a legal turn, the cop didn’t like us going through a yellow. He was wrong. I didn’t argue, as I would have to go to SD to fight it.

And this one, I don’t know if it was legal or not.

I do have an attitude, I don’t like being pulled over on fishing expeditions, or because of a cop’s view of how things should be that aren’t grounded in law (SD one). But I’m polite and professional, up until the point where they try to trick you into implicating yourself, then I do as the constitution guarantees, and the founding father wished, I don’t implicate myself.

In this stop, I made a good safe pull over that gave the cop the comfort of predictability until the point where I stopped in the lot, not the curb. There was nothing erratic, nothing drawn out taking too long, everything planned and predictable. I listened politely to her diatribe about where I pulled over and responded politely that I did it for our safety.

When I got off the bike, and into the saddle bag, I did so slowly, but in a normal manner. When I fished around in the mesh bag, I slowly picked stuff up and slowly put it on the ground, out of politeness and acknowledgment of her concern for her safety. When I got the necessary papers out, I slowly stood up and handed them to her.

So every single thing I’ve done to that point was polite, and extra cautions just for her peace of mind, not mine.

What did I get? “Put that back away.” In reference to the stuff I laid out on the ground while fishing for papers, and she turned and walked off.

I suppose you would have politely asked me to wait by the bike, she just ordered me to put the sunglasses, sunblock, papers etc back in my bag as she walked off. But I knew that it would be best to stay near the bike, but after the lecture I got on pulling into the lot, in case she wrote me up for some “pulling over offense” I wanted a picture to defend myself, in case in court she painted the picture of the pull over different. She could disagree with a picture of just the bike, and it would be her word against mine on whether the picture was indeed where I pulled over. With her car in the picture, that ends the argument. Has to be done with the car still there though, hence doing something the I knew was out of line, but not against anything she order me to do.








For Dan, why didn't you talk to her. She's an adult and your an adult. You could have spoken to her plainly, maybe apologized for not pulling over right away. But you chose the whole passive aggressive, "I'd like to remain silent".



This one is totally cop tunnel vision. I understand that you guys get an Us vs Them mentality, it makes your job easier when the world is divided up that way. Doctors and Nurses do it to.

So what happens when you politely answer the questions? In court the cop will say something like, “As I recall, during the traffic stop Mr. Lund said that he understood that this was an infraction that he committed, but now he is disagreeing.”

But the truth is that I would have thought the visor was a crock of sh*t, but her saying “do you understand” and me saying yes would be turned into the above.

Passive aggressive? So doing the polite, professional thing and saying “I’d like to remain silent is bad, and F you you fate slobby bitch would be better? I usually prefer aggressive aggressive, over passive aggressive, but in the case of an interaction with a cop I go more towards non aggressive. :)

So cops see situations like this as a matter of the public shouldn’t be annoyed at fishing expeditions to see if MAYBE you are breaking a bigger law and we should all be fine with it. If the cop wants to trick you into implicating yourself, (do you know why I pulled you over? They aren’t curious, they want you to implicate yourself and they go back to the car and write it down, then use it against you in court. You don’t have to do it).
And if you decline to implicate yourself, you are passive aggressive.

BTW, when a cop asks you where you were coming from, NEVER SAY! Pm me and I’ll tell you why, but never, never, ever say.

But yride, I like you as a Nomad owner and on a ride with you. But you will see the world through cop eyes and with a cops tunnel vision. And I’ll see it through the eyes of someone extra cautious and annoyed about the way the deck is stacked in court. And we can agree to disagree.


And I won’t expect people to respect me, even when I’m doing disrespectful or do questionable things, just because I’ve sat with a raped child, who’s mother was too weak to leave the boyfriend who was raping her and didn’t believe the child. And the mother then punished the child over and over for “lying”. And the mother now has so much cognitive dissonance, that she thinks the child ripped her va***a herself to make the boyfriend look bad, etc. etc. etc.

Just because I’m the therapist who gets far more details than the cop ever does, and I deal with it far longer than the cop does, doesn’t mean that nobody is allowed to criticize me due to the difficulty of my job. I choose the job. I wanted the job. I love the job. And it doesn’t get me a free pass on anything. That is kind of a cop thing too.

But fair is fair, you don’t have to like psychotherapists and can talk bad about them :)

[phenrichs]

I know what you mean about the SD one Dan. My dad got a warning once for stopping at a yellow light because the cop said it was too sudden and could have caused an accident. The SD book for getting your DL says that yellow lights mean proceed with caution but be prepared to stop.

[blowndodge]

When you give Dan enough time to reload.......................... http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[trip]

<<<And I won’t expect people to respect me, even when I’m doing disrespectful or do questionable things, >>>

But Dan....my question is......will she respect you in the morning? Try it....it might make things better. Once you go cop......you just can't stop. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[blowndodge]

OMG!!! http://s2.images.proboards.com/shocked.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/shocked.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/shocked.gif

Dan would be cruzin for a bruzin shackin up with Guzman!! http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[taranis]

Outstanding reply, Dan. Two thumbs way up!

[nomad561]

Dan,if you do hook up with her,don't bother with the video.

[Todd]

Dan,if you do hook up with her,don't bother with the video.



Please, oh please follow this request Dan.... http://s2.images.proboards.com/lipsrsealed.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/lipsrsealed.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/lipsrsealed.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/lipsrsealed.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/lipsrsealed.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/lipsrsealed.gif

I've met you too http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[dantama]

Too funny with the Guzzman date video guys. :)

My wife decided that it was because of her last name. The most obnoxious guy in our last building was named Guzzman. I ran against him as board president just to kick him out of there. And I thought he was bad before I kicked him out.

Maybe it's not just a cop thing, maybe it's a Guzzman thing too :(

[voyager]

Dan,

Let me tell you about my latest experience with our local peace officers. I was riding one day to a local Tim Hortons where lot of local riders meet on any given day to sit and chat over a cup of coffee and look over each others bikes. On the way there at a light, I noticed two cop cars behind me, no big deal I thought. The light changed and I proceeded on to my destination and noticed the cop right on my tail, I changed lanes, he changed lanes, I changed back, he changed back. I soon made a left turn into the mall parking lot where the coffee shop was located and the two cops followed me in and turned on their lights. I knew they wanted me to pull over right away, but I felt miffed for being pulled over so I made my way to the coffee shop where at least a dozen bikes and their leather clad owners were milling around. I get off my bike, a crowd starts to form, and the two cops get out and I could tell they were agitated that I continued on and didn't stop when they turned their lights on. The one cop said I was pulled over because my license plate was obscured, which it was partially by a washer I put in the top hole to prevent the plate from vibrating when cruising. The washer sat in the middle of a number 8, but you could tell it was still a number 8. Anyway, with all the bikers around I could tell he wanted out of there, and his partner in the other car even was standing off to the side with his hand on his tazer gun. I told him why am I getting a ticket for $115 when he could simply give me a warning?
He didn't want to get into an argument he just kept saying that I have the right to dispute the ticket in court. I asked him what his approach was in the winter time when most cars plates are obscured by dirt and snow? He simply ignored the question and got back in his car and left. So, next day I applied to the court to dispute the ticket and won't have an appearance until July 2010.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee302/voyagerkbc/KurtandLynnsPlace001.jpg

[dantama]

Dan,

Let me tell you about my latest experience with our local peace officers.




Don't come looking for sympathy from me. You are just a trouble causing, baiting, hooligan. And you deserved whatever you got http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[blowndodge]

Thanks! I've got this awful vision in my head now!!!! YUCK!!!

[macmac]

I won't discuss things with cops either.

All too many have lied in court, 2 I knew are in prison now, one of these was busted for extorsion pretending DARE was something when it wasn't and so pocketed 40,000 bucks.

The other was a Lt who called my wife the "C" word in the court lobby, and is doing hard time for 512 counts of childmolestation.

That was a total frame and i was found not guilt, but still I lost time and money lots of money proving myself innocent.

I even made the court swear that guy in, but it made no difference to the system of injustice.

I used ride with a pot head cop and pass joints while riding..

I was just a mechanic, so i wasn't playing one way and changing the game for another but he was.

Cops create victims to earn brownie points which translates to more money and promotions.

Last Saturday night when I rear ended a Jeep Cherokee that first hit a moose I was shocked I wasn't sited for something.

Once I worked on cop cars at the dealership and could over hear sick conversations, one of a priest who was busted for DUI, and just wanted a simple glass of water and was refused, and so he dranl water from the ail toliet.

The cops thought that was pretty funny.

Once I shot a man because I called the cops for help 4 times and was told "To Serve and Protect" doesn't mean cops are personal body guards.

The 5th call was for an ambulance... I didn't even get a free ride down town.

Then I have Easter 99 when my father in law and his 2nd wife were stabbed to death. My father in law was a 30 years army man stripped of weapons by the state, and had done another 30 years for Kodak in classified work. His 2nd wife was a Lawyer.

The cop shop was with in eye sight just 3 city blocks away. The Fire dept got there to wash the street clean 2.5 hours before SWAT showed up.

I wasn't there but I bet fat men hid behind skinny trees.

Another time cross thru Mass I was stopped as I pulled out of a fast food joint driving a horse trailer with a live horse, I wasn't going over 5 MPH, but my Buck Skins caused me to be a suspiouse character!

When was the last time anyone commited a crime wearing buck skins like in J Johnson anyway?

And then the cop went after my brass pistol fllintlock with vengance trying to open the breech which you can't, I can't and no one can't... It can't be opened because it is a friggin flint lock!

After 45 minutes of being a nice guy I got pissed and told the cop to arrest me ot let me go. I tild him he would be flipping burgers in that place i was just at on private property if he was lucky too.

They didn't complain because if they had they would not have given me 10 gallons of water for my horse in the first place and or allowed me to order to go and eat in my truck.

Cops go on fishing trips and I prefer to remain silent too.

I worry about getting planted with something...

If there is such a thing as a good cop, then why do no bad cops get fired?

[samkjr]

MAn Mac. You have been through some stuff. That's all I can say.

[jamiep24]

Dan, I would personally feel a lot better if ever driving through the Denver area that you would lower that shield another inch. It would make us all feel safer and sleep better at nights.....
We got bad ones down here, too. You can't go a week without reading about a cop embezzeling money, stealing evidence or blackmailing prostitutes (just to name a few). It's got to where honest ones are hard to find, and you can't trust any of them, and that's a shame, because they work for us. We pay their salaries and they supposed to be our servants (public servants), but many take advantage of their position and power, kinda like a whole race of Barney Fifes.

[nomad561]

There are alot of good LEOs out there.I would venture to say most of them are fine upstanding citizens.There are bad cops out there,just as in any profession,but it is the bad ones that get all the attention. Very seldom do you here about a cop doing something good.It just doesn't get reported.
I'm not saying Dan's buddy was good or bad,I'm saying based on the evidence presented she has a bad attitude and was unprofessional. When Dan gets her in that little black dress and she relaxes some she might be completely different

[dantama]

Just my opinion, your results may vary.

I think that of course there are good cops out there who took the job because of their natural tendency to want to help others.

There are others who became a cop because of a natural tendency for wanting to dominate others.

Some because they are lacking in certain areas, and a gun and badge compensates.

Others do it perhaps just because chicks dig uniforms :)

But all of them get into a culture that rewards heavy handedness. I've worked with cops, jailers, and probation/parole officers. The conversations about "shop talk" always came around to some form of domination of a citizen, criminal, inmate, whoever. And then there was a lot of backslapping for it.

They also tend to play the hero card pretty heavy. It becomes a, "so what if I/they did (fill in the blank with something shady) who are you going to call when someone is shooting at you" etc. They give each other hero talks that make them all feel in the brotherhood and part of something big.

They also sit around talking about Joe citizen in a way that makes it cops.... and 'them'. We are all them.

For the good cops, it's hard not to get sucked into the culture and start viewing the world that way. You can see evidence of it in the innocence project that gets innocent people out of jail. You see it in fabricated case notes. You see it in videos of cops acting illegally and fired. Etc. etc. etc.

Do they get cynical about non cops? Yup, and their marriages suffer, and they get depression easily. Many even kill themselves over it. Domestic violence is high in the profession.

Some of the good cops can swim against the tide. They still see the world as us, not us vs them. They are fair and helpful, but stern when the situation calls for it. They don’t go on fishing expeditions, they wait until the have probable cause. They go home less tainted at night, and I suppose have less divorce and domestic violence.

I know people in my profession that call the clients (when they are doing shop talk) "the crazies". They got sucked into the same us vs. them pattern. I think it is damaging their ability to do there job as well.

Do they have a hard job to do? Yup, and they took the job because that appealed to them on one of the levels mentioned, or some other level. Some enjoy the hard work, and aren’t looking for a bit of hero worship in exchange for it. The pay and a job well done is compensation enough.


When the mechanic who worked on my first couple of Nomads was deciding about going to the academy, I warned him that he isn't taking a job, he will "become" a cop. He won't go back home and take it off and be like he was at home when he was Joe mechanic. He'll see the world through a cops filter, and he will become a cop. It's not just a job. You become something that you were not before.

He's divorced and as cynical as ever now. There is still some of who he was in there, but a lot of it is cop.

So we need cops, and certain people are drawn to a gun and a badge and enforcing. It often works out OK. But once they get into cop mode, we are the enemy. The cop that just wanted to help others, starts pulling people over for a bolt in their license plate just to look around for something big to bust them with. They start thinking probable cause is old fashioned police work, and who cares how many innocent people they hassle, every now and then they'll get pats on the back for a big find. It goes from wanting to help us, to disregarding us and impressing the dept.

Some will read this and say, but I know some cops, and they aren’t…. Come on now, a good part of what I said applies to the ones you know too doesn’t it? They can still have a really nice or fun side, but you’ve seen some of what I said come out haven’t you?

I’ve talked to a lot of cop wives; they see it very clearly, even if their riding buddies don’t.

Is there a way around it all? I doubt it now. Policing became a revenue generating, politician pleasing group. Politicians are always eventually the boss of the dept. The chief answers to politicians. Cities need revenue, and cops can bring a lot of it in. In the past 50-75 years, their job has changed a lot. I don’t think it will ever go back to what it was.

To the good cops out there, you must be pretty strong to keep swimming against the current. And I respect what you do.

To the other cops…. Oh never mind :)

[dantama]

<<<And I won’t expect people to respect me, even when I’m doing disrespectful or do questionable things, >>>

But Dan....my question is......will she respect you in the morning? Try it....it might make things better. Once you go cop......you just can't stop. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

Funniest post of the day http://s2.images.proboards.com/cheesy.gif

[socwkbiker]

All professions have their A$$holes. Lawyers, Doctors, Dentists, Psychologist, and yes even peace officers.

If someone had a bad legal experience and flames the one jerk openly I have no business defending all in that profession and all they do for society with their service or by defending the Constitution.

A$$holes is A$$holes. Police are no exception.

And you my brother, are the biggest in your office! Sorry, the people have been talking. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[socwkbiker]

<<<And I won’t expect people to respect me, even when I’m doing disrespectful or do questionable things, >>>

But Dan....my question is......will she respect you in the morning? Try it....it might make things better. Once you go cop......you just can't stop. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

LMAO!! That's just plain wrong...and one ugly image.

[skeeter]

I'm posting bail on this thread. page 4

[ringadingh]

I think she just needs to get laid. You Dan, were the logical candidate.

She probably uses her billyclub as a sex toy http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif perhaps Dan could find a new home for it. http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[biscuitsngravy]

Why I know who that is....... it's Sonia Sotomayor's little sister! Small world isn't it? BnG

[ells]

Okay, I confess, I led Dan through that yellow light in Custer. I made it clean and so did he I thought but it may have changed to red while he was in the intersection and I was far enough ahead not to see it. Still legal in all 50 states as far as I know. I saw that we were turning in front of a Cop but didn't think anything of it. Was shocked when I saw Dan getting pulled over but we were only two blocks from the hotel after and 8 hour ride so just went on a waited there. Cop told Dan he had wanted me to stop too to get the same warning. Apparently Dan was on his best behavior because there was no ticket but the guy said that both Dan and I should have stopped and caught up with the rest of the group (other KN rowdies) later. I think he was trying to make a point and saw us as an opportunity. Didn't mean to contribute to the legend of Dan's driving record when I first mentioned this but that legend seems to have been solidified some here to day.

Dan - this has nothing to do with "the blue brotherhood" I could care less about it. If a cop is acting unethically or out of policy or criminally, I want them out of the biz. I won't discuss the stop further because you have your opinion about how police should do there job. In regards to that, I would be pretty board if I sat around and waited for the "real crimes" to occur and then fall in my lap. A society where cops are only reactive leads to areas like south central Los Angeles. I suppose aside from the stop itself, the part that really set me off was the whore, slut and whatever other names you came up with (I don't care to look back at the post).

You were unhappy with her handling of the stop, of which we only saw the last few minutes, we have to take your word about what happened. There are two sides to every story. Hers, yours, and the truth is somewhere in the middle. However, if you felt the stop was improper you have several options. Fight it in court which your going to do. I'm sure Denver PD has a citizen complaint procedure, but you chose not to go that way. Instead you went home to the safety of little computer, posted the video on the net with your comments, and called her a whore. That's awesome. Many others on this site made judgements about her sexuality including Trip.

At my work I'm known as a joker. I can dish it out and I can take it. But one thing I never do is say something that I wouldn't say to someone else's face. Can many of you who made the comments say the same thing? Your talking like she was the one who used poor judgement and was just out to get someone. But who's really out to get someone here.

Dan - you talk about cops needing control. I can say with 100% assurance that you too are in need of control. When you are pulled over your no longer in control. You have a hard time dealing with that, so you choose passive agressive techniques in order to gain some control back over the situation. It's why people argue with cops about speeding or signaling etc, etc. It's uncomfortable to be put in a situation you don't have a say in. I get that. So in order to get that back you choose to be disrespectful and hurtful and behave like a 17 year old.

You could have taken that video and sent it to her supervisor, the chief, a captain or any other adminstrator. But you took the low road. It's too bad.

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This is an excellent video that exposes the very latest egregious assaults on the Constitution in America, particularly the complete evisceration of the Fourth Amendment. Every aspect of the unfolding police state is covered in this 11 minute clip.

[bobhamlin]

I added slut, bitch, dyke, and whore.

It was at this point, Dan, that you lost credibility with me. You cited your therapist background as some type of equivalency to a cop's experience, yet you step way over the line for someone who should have a pretty good understanding of human nature.

Her hissy fit happened in an immediate confrontation. Yours seems to have happened much later. If your area's law requires eye protection, then it's up to a LEO to notice the infraction. Earlier that week, she might have received a briefing about some crotch rocketeer who went to shock trauma because he was driving with his visor up and a bee stung him.

Yes, they CAN not notice OR give a warning. And that's where you come in, Dan. I'm not sure why, but your attitude reminds me of the bicyclists who come up our way from the DC metro area and want to assert their rights to the road. They have the RIGHT to ride 2 abreast on a two lane with limited visibility, and they'll mouth off their RIGHTS to anyone who gets impatient riding 10 miles an hour on a 50mph road. (And I was also a bicyclist prior to the spandex boom). Common courtesy goes far in these situations.

Any therapist must know how to read verbals AND non-verbals. I doubt that you can disguise the venom that you spit out here during any interaction with LEO.

You can imagine the ideal cop all you want but, after all, they are human, too. You can describe how ALL cops will succumb to the pressure to become corrupted eventually. And, as a therapist, you surely know that once you begin looking for examples to reinforce your beliefs, they are all around.

Think the cops who see your video become even a little more insulated because of your FREEDOM to post a video with "slut, bitch, dyke, and whore" as key words?

Please contact whatever therapist organization(s) you belong to and ask their professional opinion on your posting and labelling action. It IS your right--no denying that.

In my 40 plus years of driving, I've been pulled over many times. I used to hitchhike, had long hair and must have fit whatever profile that seeks out itinerants. I've met jerks, but nothing that would ever set me off against all LEOs. I show respect for the uniform (if not the individual), do not try to talk my way out of a situation, do not hide my hands or do any make any other gestures that, if the situation were reversed, might raise my alert flags.

Someone suggested ride alongs. I agree. I would also suggest beginning to ride with groups that contain some LEOs. And don't look for the side that reinforces your obvious disdain. You will find that reinforcement. Get to know people, Dan. That is, after all, the business you have chosen.

[macmac]

I am neither pro or anti cop. I take all people as i find them. In the past I have found cops off the road stuck in snow in winter and I pull them out just like anyone else.

I just don't have any use of cops.

I don't go around breaking the law, or I try not to, but not breaking the law these days is hard to do sometimes.

Cops need to read the Declaration of Independance, the Bill of Rights and the Coons, because often times they are the very ones breaking the LAW!

Road blocks are un-cons.... Breaking items in a so quassi search isn't legal, but it happens all the time.

I was had my car search once and the cops tore the car apart wrecking inner door panels, bending a expensice air filter cover and yanking wires off thing in the engine compartment, they did about 1,500 bucks worth of real damage, and with no cause.

I had nothing and they found nothing, but I was surprised nothing was planted.

When I was 17 I was hand cuffed to a cop shop stair railing in the cop shop garage and beaten up, unable to defend myself.

Once the beating was over I was dragged to the street gutter, not the side walk and dumped un-able to move a while.

Another time 6 thugs beat me up for long hair in Boston while cops sat in a fast food joint window watching... I was still on the sidewalk when they left.

I consider cops to be public servants, but they mostly act like high welfare recipients to me.

Like i said I got no use of cops.

Another time I went with a tech buddy to RI, as his father had given him a car. It was on a Saturday. My buddy had family obligations there, and I left soon after I got there with the new to my buddy's car.

The fan belt blew off on I-95 in Mass near the NH border.

I found a rag to tie on the anntenna and was leaning on the car for a long time when 6 Mass State Tropper cars passed on right by, a few moments apart.

When the 7th one came along I ran away trying to make it look like I had done something illegal. Well that worked and that cop was smokin mad I fooled him into a stop for assistance.

If this is how it is supposed to work I can't say why we would have any cops.. They are as bad as the bad guys.

I like it as i don't need them an they don't need me.

If it ever comes to defending my family again I don't think I will bother to call the cops. What for?

I got more tales than the first post and this 2nd one...

What cops feel when I post this stuff, and it isn't the first time is shame if they are good cops.. But that isn't my fault since they should make sure any bad cops get fired..

If you look the other way because yer buddy is a bad cop, that just makes you a bad cop too.

An example of that might be:

Once as a lad I was drinking beers on Daytona Bch, It was college week and I fell in with some guys from Ohio.

We ran out of beers and went for more in a van. A light changed too fast for the driver and a whole case and a half of empties feel out the open side van door into the street, and a cruiser was behind us.

bam on went the blue lights and thje siren. The cop sauntered up to the drivers window, and did the basic Lic and Reg thing.

The driver picked up the wrong wallet, belonging to someone else with them and who ever that was, was a cop too.

Just got off with a light warning... I recall the guy today saying OMG I picked up the wrong wallet!!!! had he not and all of us would have been busted.

This is BS....

[dantama]

Okay, I confess, I led Dan through that yellow light in Custer. I made it clean and so did he I thought but it may have changed to red while he was in the intersection and I was far enough ahead not to see it. Still legal in all 50 states as far as I know. I saw that we were turning in front of a Cop but didn't think anything of it. Was shocked when I saw Dan getting pulled over but we were only two blocks from the hotel after and 8 hour ride so just went on a waited there. Cop told Dan he had wanted me to stop too to get the same warning. Apparently Dan was on his best behavior because there was no ticket but the guy said that both Dan and I should have stopped and caught up with the rest of the group (other KN rowdies) later. I think he was trying to make a point and saw us as an opportunity. Didn't mean to contribute to the legend of Dan's driving record when I first mentioned this but that legend seems to have been solidified some here to day.

One correction Ells, it didn't go from yellow to red. It went from yellow to solid green!

It was one of those that go from green arrow, yellow arrow, solid green left turn when safe. No red arrow.

I got a warning and threat of a ticket for going through a yellow that turns green!

[pirate]

I read this thread for the first time this morning, and I think everyone needs to move on and do what summer is intended for: RIDING OUR NOMADS!!! This thread is up to 6 pages in length and it looks like a lot of wasted typing when that time could be used for eating up the miles on a Nomad. I have mixed feelings on the opinions posted here, although I am leaning one way now that I have read every reply. But, I've got a babysitter watching our daughter today, so I'm going riding. Anyone care to join me?

PC

[dantama]

I added slut, bitch, dyke, and whore.

It was at this point, Dan, that you lost credibility with me. You cited your therapist background as some type of equivalency to a cop's experience, yet you step way over the line for someone who should have a pretty good understanding of human nature.

Her hissy fit happened in an immediate confrontation. Yours seems to have happened much later. If your area's law requires eye protection, then it's up to a LEO to notice the infraction. Earlier that week, she might have received a briefing about some crotch rocketeer who went to shock trauma because he was driving with his visor up and a bee stung him.

Yes, they CAN not notice OR give a warning. And that's where you come in, Dan. I'm not sure why, but your attitude reminds me of the bicyclists who come up our way from the DC metro area and want to assert their rights to the road. They have the RIGHT to ride 2 abreast on a two lane with limited visibility, and they'll mouth off their RIGHTS to anyone who gets impatient riding 10 miles an hour on a 50mph road. (And I was also a bicyclist prior to the spandex boom). Common courtesy goes far in these situations.

Any therapist must know how to read verbals AND non-verbals. I doubt that you can disguise the venom that you spit out here during any interaction with LEO.

You can imagine the ideal cop all you want but, after all, they are human, too. You can describe how ALL cops will succumb to the pressure to become corrupted eventually. And, as a therapist, you surely know that once you begin looking for examples to reinforce your beliefs, they are all around.

Think the cops who see your video become even a little more insulated because of your FREEDOM to post a video with "slut, bitch, dyke, and whore" as key words?

Please contact whatever therapist organization(s) you belong to and ask their professional opinion on your posting and labelling action. It IS your right--no denying that.

In my 40 plus years of driving, I've been pulled over many times. I used to hitchhike, had long hair and must have fit whatever profile that seeks out itinerants. I've met jerks, but nothing that would ever set me off against all LEOs. I show respect for the uniform (if not the individual), do not try to talk my way out of a situation, do not hide my hands or do any make any other gestures that, if the situation were reversed, might raise my alert flags.

Someone suggested ride alongs. I agree. I would also suggest beginning to ride with groups that contain some LEOs. And don't look for the side that reinforces your obvious disdain. You will find that reinforcement. Get to know people, Dan. That is, after all, the business you have chosen.







Bobhamlin,

That was a well thought out response, and I agree with most of it.

You are right that because I was pissed off at this cop, I put those tags on the video. Almost calling her that, but not quite. Nobody sees those tags, but if someone did a search for dyke or slut etc. That video will be one of the search results.

So it's not in the title or anything.

As far as your recommendation that I talk to other's in my field, as a mental health worker, I do that on an ongoing basis.

Here's what a psychological examinations reveals, what do you think?

Mr. Lund had an elevated disconstraint scale, suggest that he accepts a higher level of risk-taking behaviors, possesses a personality style more impulsive than controlled, and is less confined by traditional moral constraints. He may be an impetuous, nonconforming person who can be aggressive, antisocial, and easily bored with routine. Overall, Mr. Lund responded to certain critical items involving authority, and impulsively in a manner more extreme than expected. However, he responded to all items in a fashion that would not constitute any concern for Mr. Lund's general level of metal health, or psychological functioning.

I'm thinking other's in my field think I have a problem with authority. I think they are right. Perhaps that's why the only thing my high school principle said directly to me was, "Dan, why do you have to be such a non-conformist?" :)

And as far as ride-along. Remember, I worked with cops, probation/parole officers, and jailers. I know them and their jobs, at least the large sample in two states that I worked with.

A ride along would be entertaining, but I doubt that it would contribute very much more to my knowledge of their work.

I liked you well thought out, not reactive post.

Thanks

[dantama]

I read this thread for the first time this morning, and I think everyone needs to move on and do what summer is intended for: RIDING OUR NOMADS!!! This thread is up to 6 pages in length and it looks like a lot of wasted typing when that time could be used for eating up the miles on a Nomad. I have mixed feelings on the opinions posted here, although I am leaning one way now that I have read every reply. But, I've got a babysitter watching our daughter today, so I'm going riding. Anyone care to join me?

PC



Yup, it's largly a waste of time, but entertaining to some.

I hope you all realize how hypocritical it would be to allow endless slaying of politicians in the other board. Personal attacks on politicians. Name calling of politicians, etc. etc.

But cops are sacred and can only be talked about with high regard.

Both groups are real people, with real lives, doing the job they like.

But I suppose we could say no political or cop talk http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

Who knows, there might be a politician with a Nomad who would be offended too :)

[phenrichs]

I love watching the progression of this thread.
Someone will post something that is a bit expressive and gets borderline out-of-hand and then someone will reply with some very polite response and things will go level for a couple post and then someone will push the envelope again and the cycle begins again.

I must admit when I began reading it on page one by the time I got to the end of 2 I was afraid that it was turning into a repeat of the "caddman" incident of last year. And then someone came along and posted a very polite and well thought out response and it all came back around.

I love this group.

A co-worker of mine was let go this spring due to the economy. He was a borderline hippy liberal Dem and he understood and accepted that I was a gun toting backwoods Rep and we always had the best educated but heated discussions on all sort of topics like this but it always stayed friendly.

[blowndodge]

Well............. it looks lik yridehd puched his ticket out. One can disagree with Dan or me or anyone else but I fail to see the mentality when someone disagrees strongly with one's position to take offense to it.

[dantama]

. I won't discuss the stop further because you have your opinion about how police should do there job. In regards to that, I would be pretty board if I sat around and waited for the "real crimes" to occur and then fall in my lap.


The constitution doesn’t say you have to wait for a crime to fall into your lap, but you do have to have probable cause to stop someone, or see the crime in progress. I suspect that you have become a little jaded if you have contempt for the constitution and it’s protects.

I know the constitution gets in the way of police having unlimited power to do as they please. And when you get an Cops vs them mindset, having your power restricted sucks, but that is the way the country was set up. There are countries that allow the more fun police work.






- this has nothing to do with "the blue brotherhood" …., but you chose not to go that way. Instead you went home to the safety of little computer, posted the video on the net with your comments, and called her a whore.



Didn’t call her a whore, just made it a search term that will pull up the video in the search results. Close to the same, but didn’t call her one specifically. Small point though, shades of gray.

Someone else went home to the safety of their computer and went on you tube and called me a dumb f**k  And also thought that impounding my bike for a partially raised visor was what they would have done. A gut reaction to the slap of another officer’s reputation that lives in a another state, and the calling of names of a fellow board member, not a stranger, and the claim that you would have illegally impounded the bike doesn’t do much for your argument that you don’t care about he whole blue-brotherhood.

Your actions say otherwise. I let your comment stand on my video, but blocked you from further comments. You then opened another brand new account that was less than an hour old, to post again calling me a first class dumb ass.

Ironic that you call people who you know names, but get bent out of shape when a stranger who happens to have gone into the same line of work as you gets called names.

I’m thinking it’s a blue-brotherhood thing.









At my work I'm known as a joker. I can dish it out and I can take it. But one thing I never do is say something that I wouldn't say to someone else's face. Can many of you who made the comments say the same thing?


I’ll prepare myself for getting called a dumb f**k and a first class dumb ass when we meet 

And if your wife asks if this dress makes me look fat? I’d revise your strategy!











Dan - you talk about cops needing control. I can say with 100% assurance that you too are in need of control. When you are pulled over your no longer in control. You have a hard time dealing with that, so you choose passive agressive techniques in order to gain some control back over the situation.

. It's uncomfortable to be put in a situation you don't have a say in. I get that. So in order to get that back you choose to be disrespectful and hurtful and behave like a 17 year old.




I hate being called passive aggressive. I want to be aggressive aggressive! But it’s not wise with cops, so I just politely assert my constitutional right, which cops tend to hate and have issues with.

So by politely asserting my rights, Listen to my video vs Wolfman’s, I politely accreted mine. Some in his video, while lawfully asserting theirs, were also being aggressive and using self-righteous indignation. I just politely stated in mine. Have a look.

Now the cop on the other hand was belligerent, condescending “It’s very simple”, played dumb saying “excuse me” and “no what” when she clearly heard what I said, aggressive (slapping ticket and my papers on the seat and dropping the license on the ground) and perhaps a few more such quirks.

But me politely acting my constitutional rights was so offensive. Another blue-brotherhood thing I suppose.









You could have taken that video and sent it to her supervisor, the chief, a captain or any other administrator. But you took the low road. It's too bad.




I was harassed by cops who were making an illegal detention of a citizen during the Democratic National Convention. I reported it and was given an “opportunity” to sit down with the officers and discuss it. I just didn’t feel like having an opportunity with officer Guzman

I did take the low road, and I admit it. I was pissed, and it helped self-soothe, at her expense. Some cops get to fill their need for domination at our expense.

When one side has the power, you sometimes have to take alternate means to even out the power differential. It was still kind of the low road though.

Kind of like signing up of two Youtube accounts just to call me names.

[macmac]

I am certain my replies are not welcomed by LEO's but I am not the one that formed my opinions alone.

If I happen on any one including a LEO stuck in a snow bank I will pull them out, and fix what I can on the spot, not leave you there if i can't fix what ever.

All I expect is fair, but I didn't often get fair from any LEO. I see any LEO as any other common man and a bullet will stop a LEO just like any other common man.

Busting a guy isn't going fishing, telling lies in a court of law is illegal for anyone including a LEO. Calling my wife the "C" word did not hing to imporove the way I see any other LEO.

The difference there is i can't kick the LEO's ass like i would do to any other man calling my wife a name like that!

I made the judge swear the LEO in not that it did any good. I was told by the judge the LEO was percieved to be telling the TRUTH, and it was far from that!

I am 57 now, taller looking while I am on 5' 10" with a pony tail. I get checked out by short hair cops and am not anything like them. This appears to make any LEO wonder about me, and that isn't a good idea.

I live by the Law of jefferson, and don't like my Liberty stepped on one bit. If you are a LEO and step on my Liberty you are going to hear about it. It might not be pretty.

If you are a LEO and also a man then the matter can be discussed, but if you are wrong you are wrong and if I am then I am..

If it comes to shooting then I am willing to defend myself, my family and my stuff. I will do this with any one I consider wrong and who has use lethal forces against me, LEO or otherwise.

If you wanna play SWAT, you better be SWAT.

Don't be a fat man hiding behind a sapling...

Don't be a butch ass in my mountian in winter and run away like a little girl because it got cold, and beg a hippy to take all your gear off my mountain. Then send it back to Virginia to save the tax payers money, because i won't!

What I did last time was give away all the gear you SWAT guys left behind to my mountian climbing winter friends, who mostly have long hairs!

I don't know if Dan broke the law in Colorado or not, but in NH there is not even any lid law, and with a windsheild you don't need glasses either..

I don't believe the Govt has any right to seat belt law or lid law in the first place.. I don't believe the Govt has any right to create road blocks and stop everyone.

The dammned commies pull that crap off and the USA isn't supposed to be a police state, but it is getting that way and too fast to suit me.

The fact cops in a court of law are thought to be telling any truth when their jobs depend on promtions and raises is nuts!

The quota system is as nuts! The fact that fold get left in the boonies after a accident is nuts to..

i was left in nowhere after my 05 bike crash.... everyone just packed up and left... No wreckers around and no way out of there with 3 broken ribs but to ride.... I did.

last Saturday night the 2 guys in the jeep that hit the moose were lucky the cops brought them to my house at my request... other wise they would have been on the road side in the morning...

This is BS...

Cops get trained as if the public is the enemy. I know this is a fact. I have been told by MANY LEO's this is a part of the training..

READ JEFFERSON LAW, then do what is right, maybe then some respect can be EARNED.

[wiz]

I suggest safety rated glasses, even under a visor, if you ever open the visor at all. It works well for me.

The few times I have been pulled over - I probably thought the cop could have gone after somebody doing something worse than what I was doing - but I was violating the law so I just blamed the ugly dude I see in the mirror. Accepting responsibility sucks, but oh well...

[phenrichs]

Hey Wiz, That Makers Mark Ambassador entry in your sig line..... Is that referring to Makers Mark bourbon?
You may be my new hero.

[dogdoc]

WOW, glad I missed the ride on this one!

[blowndodge]

it was by design..

[dogdoc]

been following the thread but had enough sense to stay quiet. Thats my choice and my design. :-)

[dantama]

been following the thread but had enough sense to stay quiet. Thats my choice and my design. :-)

Doc's a man of few words, and a quiet guy?

No kidding? http://s2.images.proboards.com/cheesy.gif

[dabull]

dan...haven't kept up with the whole thread...but...your visor is clear....no sunglasses? Don't get me wrong, when i wear full face i open shield too---luckily for me my ff has the drop down pilots visor...anyhooo, i stray...it was bright out there...where ur shades??

[ballast]

Dude, I called you a dumb ass on youtube. You chose that venue to post so I chose that venue to respond.

[dantama]

Dude, I called you a dumb ass on youtube. You chose that venue to post so I chose that venue to respond.

Then it was you who was also the spelling police!

All kinds of cops here.

[ballast]

Dude, I called you a dumb ass on youtube. You chose that venue to post so I chose that venue to respond.

Then it was you who was also the spelling police!

All kinds of cops here.

Yeah, sorry about the spelling thing. I get carried away sometymes.

[dogdoc]

:-)

[dantama]

Then it was you who was also the spelling police!

All kinds of cops here.

Yeah, sorry about the spelling thing. I get carried away sometymes.

So do I :)



Here is a good video for everyone to watch for why not to give information when pulled over. It's not exaggerated, and is professionally done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc&feature=related

[dabull]

seemed good...but dont have the 48 minutes to deicate to the cause;)

[petenomad]

yride: Once you admitted to pulling over people for minor offenses in the hopes of finding a more major offense, you lost all credibiility with me. This is not the ideals that this country was founded on. I want an orderly society and I'm not naive enough to believe that we can have that without professional Law Enforcement Officers. However, what you are suggesting here is an abuse of the power entrusted in you.

[stewdogg]

yride: Once you admitted to pulling over people for minor offenses in the hopes of finding a more major offense, you lost all credibiility with me. This is not the ideals that this country was founded on. I want an orderly society and I'm not naive enough to believe that we can have that without professional Law Enforcement Officers. However, what you are suggesting here is an abuse of the power entrusted in you.

Amen Brother!!

[jamiep24]

I personally feel we, as Americans, have way too many rights. But I at least respect Dan for not being violent and physical like many people are. He seems, to me, to be a calm and reasonable person. It's just too bad that the minority (bad cops) always causes the majority (good cops) to be stereotyped.

[blowndodge]

ADD eh Derry???

[nomad561]

I watched the entire video and learned some interesting tactics that could be uesd to support Dan's actions.
I already had the mindset that you are guilty until proven innocent in todays society,now I see how that can be true.

[macmac]

TOO MANY RIGHTS??? One by one our Rights are being stolen by the very people who are supposed to PROTECT these Rights!

We have the RIGHT to Revolt, and it just might happen .... again one day.

The cops have no right to go fishing, but with probable cause the way it is today, they sure do.

In a stop for a infraction you have the Right to Remain Silent, which is a good idea.

On the other hand the cops have the right to tear you and your machine to pieces anyway they want, and or rip your house to bits, cutting the furnishings any way they want, and the right to plant illegal items any way they want in you vehicals homes and computers..

They have the right to lie in court and frame your a$$ for anything they want any time they want.

If you believe the courts are fair and just it is because you have never been in a so called court of law!

Well I have and 3 times ther supponea arrived in the mail the day after the hearings, which isn't legal, because you by law have the right to 10 working days notice.

I have had legal documents show up not signed, blank spaces where none can be by LAW, and once was dismissed by the DA on the phone for no more reason than he wanted me to default on the hearing!

TOO MANY RIGHTS?

[dantama]

I watched the entire video and learned some interesting tactics that could be uesd to support Dan's actions.
I already had the mindset that you are guilty until proven innocent in todays society,now I see how that can be true.


Here is just one example of what could go wrong by being friendly and chatty, in hopes of getting a warning. And this example has happened.

Cop pulls you over and in a friendly tone asks where your headed, then asks where you were coming from. Everything is in a nice chatty tone, and you're hoping you'll just get a warning and answer back on everything that is asked.

Unbeknown to you or the cop, a rape/murder/anything took place just prior to your moving violation, and between your location and where you told the cop you came from.

In a cop briefing type of meeting detectives tell the dept that they have no suspects in said crime, does anyone have any information that might help, because the detectives have nothing.

The cop that pulled you over says, Hey, I pulled a guy over that night that was coming from there at about the time of the crime. He gets the information from the stop and gives to the detectives.

You are now the only suspect, they had no one. Now they are looking at you. They wouldn't be looking at you if you hadn't talked and made small talk trying to get a warning.

So they call you in to be interviewed, lets hope that knowing you are innocent, you don't go in to clear it all up and talk with them.

Soon you could be fried on a huge crime that just happened to be near where you were driving. But that cops would never know that, if you didn't tell them.

They aren't talking with you on that stop just to chat. They are looking for a way to arrest you. Either on the spot or perhaps later, but they aren't just curious about your day when they ask.

It is best to not make that small talk at all. You have the right not to talk or implicate yourself. You should use that right.

There's no such thing as "too many rights" this is America its not Nazi Germany or Communist Russia. I will fight to my death protecting my rights. What's the point of living if you aren't free?

Its a very good idea to keep your mouth shut during police encounters. Whats the point of talking? Everything you say can and will be used AGAINST you. Your words may be misinterpreted or deliberately taken out of context.

I don't understand people who consent to a search either. If you're innocent you're wasting your time, if you have something that the government says you're not supposed to, you just screwed yourself.

Just because George Bush said: "the Constitution is just a G D piece of paper" doesn't mean its true

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[Todd]

Just because George Bush said: "the Constitution is just a G D piece of paper" doesn't mean its true



I usually do not chime in on religious or political threads anymore, but....

I think the world of you wolfman......but this is rumor and only reported by one website (except for the continuous sites back to that original web site) reporting 3 sources (never substantiated), that has been know to make up sources before.....Thompson's credibility is even questioned in notable sites like democraticunderground.com.

Never been substantiated and highly doubtful he ever uttered those words.

[macmac]

Whether or not it is true, still the current admin acts as if it were true. Bidden has a long history of being in favor of Jack Boots.

I for one have been abused by these so called authorities in so many ways it gets boring to read. I drew my line in the sand, and have no places left to back up too.

No more will I stand for this abuse. For the generations my family fought in wars for Liberty and Freedom I will not stand idle, because a madman on a power trip thinks i should be made a victim of.

I was born here Free and I expect one day to die here as free. Both sides of any issue can bleed... I won't mind spilling any of mine, but I can't say how the other side feels.

Its not a good thing in my mind to have a President of the United States belong to the most secret of societies ('Skull and Bones' who's sole purpose is to get their members into positions of power) and then promote people into your cabinet which also belong to the same secret society or to participate in mock human sacrifices and other Luciferian rituals inside the Bohemian Grove; in ceremonies like the 'cremation of care' which symbolizes the sacrifice of ones conscience. Unfortunately in '04, out of 200 million Americans we had the choice between Bush or Kerry (both of whom are Bonesman)

[isaiahsdad]

Dan, you beat me too it. I was going to post the video about Don't Talk to the Police. My friends, if you have the time, please watch it. It is very good, but also watch part 2 that has the officers view on the same subject.

I am the son of a cop. My father retired as a Captain of the Falmouth Police Department in Massachusetts. I know first hand about police and how there jobs can effect ones life. I unfortunately was on the receiving end on way too many occasions. My father was an alcoholic, and very very abusive. He put me in the hospital as a young child many times. Abuse was his way to keep it away from the public. I remember as a child I would hide when he got home until either he was drunk, or I knew he had a good day. I know that most of it was his job and who he dealt with on a regular basis, and part the booze, and part because he is just a plain old bad person. I am 46 now, and to this day, he has not changed. He only has friends he can control. Still tries to control myself and my brother and sister. Has isolated himself from family and has gone as far as to move as far away from Falmouth as he can. In my humble opinion, he is a sad, sad and lonely little man. I am thankful that I turned out nothing like him. What is my point? Well, you see a cop for what, 10 minutes at the time of the stop? You know nothing about that person. Does this person belong in a job like this, with an attitude like this, probably not. I do know that even though my father was a horrible father, a horrible husband, and a horrible human being, he was a great cop. Or at least that is the way I saw him. Is this an excuse for bad behavior on the job, absolutely not. And if you think about it, police do not have to be held accountable for there actions. If a doctor screws up, you can sue the heck out of them. If a cop writes a ticket, and it gets thrown out in court, he just goes and writes another one. It is sad.

I for one think the ticket was bogus. A simple contact was all that was needed. For your own safety sir, put your visor down, and that should have been it. But I also think that the way Dan conducted himself was spot on, except for the walking around. I agree he should have stayed put. But I do not think his actions deserved a ticket.

I have been pulled over twice in the past 2 years, the first one was on the Jersey Turnpike. It took 2 miles to find a safe place to pull over, and the officer actually thanked me for pulling in where I did. What did I get pulled over for? My GPS was just below the mirror, and I had air cleaners and nick knacks hanging from the rear view mirror. He took my license, ran my numbers, came back and explained why he pulled me over. It was sir, yes sir, etc. I gave him my full attention, and my respect. And because of that I got respect in return. Just a verbal warning and that was it. Total time, 5 minutes.

The second time happened just last month on the way home from a weekend vacation. It was in a little rinky dink town in southeast Oklahoma. I was speeding 8 miles over. The cop turned on me and I knew I was done. He approached my car and I kid you not, no teeth, about a hundred pounds over what I would consider the image an officer should present. He walked up to the car and I did what I shouldn't have, I said "you know what, I looked up, and saw the sign, and knew what I did before you even turned around". He was extremely nice, very unprofessional in respect that he treated me like I had just had a beer with him. He took my license, did a check and came back and said, "You know what Mr Price, you have a perfect record, I don't see any reason to mess it up with a ticket. Here is your license sir, you and your family have a good day". I was surprised, but it is what he said next that really floored me, "you better watch out two towns up, they are real buggers up there and they will give you a ticket just for driving a minivan" Now of course he was kidding about the minivan, but his whole attitude, and his manor, was the way things should be handled. We, the average Joe, are not criminals, and there is no reason to treat us as such. I know that "guest" is a cop, and I understand that many arrests for felony warrants come from traffic stops, but I don't think we should be treated like criminals, until we have committed a crime warranting us to be treated like criminals. I don't care how rude Dan may have been, but all he did was not have his visor down. How would this woman have treated him if she found out he was a child molester or something worse, a Democrat?

Cops are people, but to be singled out is also wrong. The DMV, you expect to be treated rudely. I am a disabled vet and I know when I go to the VA hospital, that I will most likely run into someone who will be down right rude. It is part of life, but I also know that if I take the time, and start off my part of the encounter with a smile, and a heart felt, "hello", then I know the encounter will go good. Another gesture, take the time to read the officers name badge. "Hello officer Smith, how are you doing today?" will go a lot farther than a bad, and defensive attitude. Just my two cents.

[macmac]

Sometimes you can 'make' the cop by the way he/she handles themselves too A badge pusher will walk stiffly, like in the military, actting tough.

When I first got back in 06 from my USA tour my car got registered before I took if from storage. In NH you get 10 days and this was day 1.

I got bagged by a female state trooper. She should have been able to tell I had 9 and 1/2 days left for inspection just by the papers (regiie) And went on asking where I had been.

I decided to play and waste her time and told her California on a motorcycle. That got me a wild rant for 45 minutes on how no one can be that attentive to ride so far on a bike and of course ride all the way back.

When she came back to Earth I commented on maybe one day she should ride a bike to Cal too.... Asked if I was free to go and I sure was!

[jamiep24]

To Mac and Wolfman: You damn right we have too many rights. If I break into your house to steal something and break my leg in the process, I have the right to sue your asses and will probably win my case..... There are idiots out there burning our American flags and nobody can do anything about it because it is their "right" to burn it. But the same law probably tells me it's illegal to burn a copy of the Kuran.....If you're driving ahead of me and want to be an a**hole and slam on your brakes so I hit you from behind, it's my fault, but that's your right and I'm the one breaking the law.....You have the right to lose your house by betting on the stock markert. ...You have the right to be an alcoholic, an addicted gambler, a smoker who probably contributes to the death or sickness of many others, you have the right to rape your wife, you have the right to be an idiot. Mac, you have the right to hang out in the woods and do whatever it is you do and not have to worry about it.... You damn right we have too many rights, and I figured you two would be smart enough to figure out what the hell I meant when I said that. Jamie

[jamiep24]

And to Wolfman: We Don't need some of the freedoms I just mentioned. I could name a helluva lot more if you want. You don't know me well enough to call me a Nazi or a Communist. Because I guarantee you not every person on this board would fight for this country, but I would. People take their freedoms too far and you know it.... We keep on and my grandkids will have to learn to speak Spanish in order to graduate high school..... We keep on and there will be a Mosque on every corner.... We keep on and there will be many more O.J. Simpsons out there getting away with murder.....We keep on and Christianity will be abolished and churches will be done away with, since it is the only religion not protected by the law....We keep on and we'll have a draft-dodging, dope-smoking adulterer in the White House....Or a cigarette-smoking Muslim who ultimately hates white people in there, too... Oh, I'm sorry, I may be a little late on those last two. I think you get my drift. Jamie

[macmac]

Well ya got a point Jamie.. Thing is if you get caught breaking in my house after you break that leg, you will be found here in the morning dead of it..

If I catch you burning the flag you'ld get hurt bad, and I don't care if you want to heat your whole house by burning the koran.

Last Saturday night I rear ended a Jeep Cherokee that hit a moose, and i wasn't even cited. The guy driving the jeep isn't going to sue me either, or file any claims against me. The ft fender on the bike ain't too hot, but I can still ride it.

Once some fella's came into my woods and pester the livin hell out of me for a cook fire, with the wood I had gathered while the woods was full of more.

I told em when me and my friends were done they could use the fire, or they could go get their own damnned wood.

They didn't have sence to stop pestering me so i got out of my hammock and laid my fire with 3 full dead hemlock sapplings, that burn blue hot and real fast. i added a little naptha to pick it up too. Then I went to lay back in my hammock and waited for the fuel to soak. Pretty soon these fools were standing on the rocks around the fire pit complaining this wasn't the way to set a fire, and I flipped a match over their heads into it. WOOF.... http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif All fall down.....

After eatting.. everyone one of these jokers turned on static with a radio he had. I got to the point of that was enough and tossed it in the lake.. End of that nusiance.

Guy came over to me about that, and my great dane got up from under my hammock and settled his ideas. If that didn't work my .45 would have.

I ain't got a clue how things are in yer neck of the woods being in the area just once. Most of that won't cut it where I live.

And when I say you, I don't mean you as you, but in a very loose and general way.

I agree with you that this country is going to hell in a hand basket.

I wrote my Congessman and Senator about guns and got something about same sex marriage back. That went into the wood stove as common fodder.

I went to town meeting with a red grip and a black grip and made these guys guess which one was the bad evil one from the nice good one. They both chose black and they were both wrong. Red is the evil one and everybody knows that. ::)

[trip]

Well............. it looks lik yridehd puched his ticket out. One can disagree with Dan or me or anyone else but I fail to see the mentality when someone disagrees strongly with one's position to take offense to it.

You're right BD.... yridehd did punch out. There may be a few others that punch out also...There are those that feel I need to put a stop to this thread. That I'm allowing some to gang up on others.

That couldn't be farther from the truth. Everyone has always been able to express how they feel on KawaNOW and that's not going to change. Just remember, it's HOW you express yourselves that makes the difference.

My advice to some....relax and take things said with a grain of salt. Feel free to express your opinion, but don't expect everyone to agree with you.

Trip

[Todd]

Its a very good idea to keep your mouth shut during police encounters. Whats the point of talking? Everything you say can and will be used AGAINST you. Your words may be misinterpreted or deliberately taken out of context.

I don't understand people who consent to a search either. If you're innocent you're wasting your time, if you have something that the government says you're not supposed to, you just screwed yourself.

Just because George Bush said: "the Constitution is just a G D piece of paper" doesn't mean its true

This is good:



Yeah, and my comment about this video..........

It's Garbage!

I agree that citizens should exercise all of their rights all of the time..... and I agree that the police should not overstep their bounds..... but they did this to make the cop character look like a buffoon.....

This is not a video of how to protect your rights...this is a video of how to possibly break the law and get away with it. Not just about pot here....that could have just as easily been crack, stolen money, stolen property, your wife bound and gagged in the trunk or a kidnapped child in the trunk. Oh, and , in my opinion, a video to drum up business for some defense attorneys. AND BEFORE YOU GET PISSED OVER THAT COMMENT I DO NOT MEAN ALL DEFENSE ATTORNEYS....I MEAN THE ONES ... WELL, THE ONES THAT DO STUFF LIKE THIS.

The concept of protecting ones individual rights from a tyrannical government (or officer thereof or tyrannical officer) is a good, no a great one. It is what the country is built around. I am not going to do a lot to enter into conversation that may be used against me later if ever in a situation......but this video, in this context, is not the right instrument to teach that concept in my opinion. My opinion is that this video just teaches disrespect for the law.

There I go, pissing off another sector of the membership I guess.......Its just my opinion...if you do not agree, I will understand but will not debate it further. If you are in this crowd, please just ignore me on this issue because I will not change your mind and you will not change mine.

And an edit.......this is how the internet is getting people in trouble....people think that everything on it is gospel and take it to heart as if its a 400 level Physics class.......recognize the bullsh*t folks. Oh wait, Trip just said that didn't he....... :-/

[lw]

And don't forget these famous rights from the movie "Police Academy":

"You have the right to sing the blues, you have the right to cable TV, you have the right to paint the walls (no loud colors). . . "


To Mac and Wolfman: You damn right we have too many rights. If I break into your house to steal something and break my leg in the process, I have the right to sue your asses and will probably win my case..... There are idiots out there burning our American flags and nobody can do anything about it because it is their "right" to burn it. But the same law probably tells me it's illegal to burn a copy of the Kuran.....If you're driving ahead of me and want to be an a**hole and slam on your brakes so I hit you from behind, it's my fault, but that's your right and I'm the one breaking the law.....You have the right to lose your house by betting on the stock markert. ...You have the right to be an alcoholic, an addicted gambler, a smoker who probably contributes to the death or sickness of many others, you have the right to rape your wife, you have the right to be an idiot. Mac, you have the right to hang out in the woods and do whatever it is you do and not have to worry about it.... You damn right we have too many rights, and I figured you two would be smart enough to figure out what the hell I meant when I said that. Jamie

[Todd]

And don't forget these famous rights from the movie "Police Academy":

"You have the right to sing the blues, you have the right to cable TV, you have the right to paint the walls (no loud colors). . . "


To Mac and Wolfman: You damn right we have too many rights. If I break into your house to steal something and break my leg in the process, I have the right to sue your asses and will probably win my case..... There are idiots out there burning our American flags and nobody can do anything about it because it is their "right" to burn it. But the same law probably tells me it's illegal to burn a copy of the Kuran.....If you're driving ahead of me and want to be an a**hole and slam on your brakes so I hit you from behind, it's my fault, but that's your right and I'm the one breaking the law.....You have the right to lose your house by betting on the stock markert. ...You have the right to be an alcoholic, an addicted gambler, a smoker who probably contributes to the death or sickness of many others, you have the right to rape your wife, you have the right to be an idiot. Mac, you have the right to hang out in the woods and do whatever it is you do and not have to worry about it.... You damn right we have too many rights, and I figured you two would be smart enough to figure out what the hell I meant when I said that. Jamie


Thanks Tackleberry http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

Todd - I can't really say anyone on this board has ever pissed me off, Even though I can be quite opinionated I respect other peoples views.

Jaime - I'm sorry you took offense to my comment, I wasn't calling you a Nazi or a communist, I'm a freedom lover and yes there are some bad people out there who work the system doesn't mean I want stricter laws, I'm very much against most government regulation. I for one have fought for this country (If the invasion of Iraq falls into that category) I know thats subjective. I consider pointing out all the corrupt flaws in our government "fighting for our country" much more than anything I did in Iraq in 2003

The reason why we are in the shape we are in right now as a nation is for the past several decades everyone has been raised to respect authority so much and now they are too passive and too naive to admit that there might actually be some corruption in the government. Our Founding fathers had the balls to question authority and raise the BS flag.

[billz410]

I'm writing this mainly as therapy for myself.......

In response to Trip's last response on this post, I am the guy, or one of the guys, who contacted Trip and said I took very personal offense to some of the content of this thread, and basically called him a weak-spined whore (well, OK, not really) for not putting a stop to it.

I even wrote a hot letter with some very scathing remarks, but never hit the Post Reply button. There seemed to be a few 'boo on cops' remarks here, which is something I take very personally, because I was very close to being accepted to the academy for State Troopers in another state, and my experiences with law enforcement have all been A+

But, before I pulled the plug, I decided to 'review' this thread again, as Trip claimed he had done, and I came to the conclusion that perhaps the thread wasn't quite as malicious and vindictive as I had once thought. Other may or may not agree, and maybe I'm just calmer now.

This thread has been gnawing at me like an ulcer for the past couple of days, and regardless of one's opinion of Dan Lund, I don't think that was his intention. (Tell me I'm right, Dan!!!) And I don't think that's what KawaNOW was put together for was to give people ulcers.

There have been other posts that I thought were dumb, and I chose to ignore them. Many of you have done the same on this one, but for whatever reason, this one sparked a lot of controversy in my own mind.

I know I have said this many many times before, and I will say it again in the future. The people on this forum was one of the key reasons I chose a Kawasaki Nomad. Sometimes I look at other bikes- I like all kinds. I look at the Honda ST 1300, I look at BMW's, I look at the Kawasaki Concourse 14... ever try to find a good forum on the Kawasaki Concourse 14? HA!

My point is, KawaNOW is the best thing going, in my opinion. I have met a number of very nice people on this forum who have provided much help and encouragement, and have saved me a lot of money, time, and frustration with various modifications/accessories. (They've also caused me to spend a couple dollars, too!!) The forum has benefited me, and there are lots of other areas-even in KawaNOW- where a guy can blow off some steam if need be.

Sometimes after a hard day at work or something, I'll sit down and read a few of the jokes in the joke column while enjoying a cold Corona. It helps!! (Now I've probably offended someone who doesn't drink. Sorry!)

So anyways, there is really no one on this forum other than me and Trip who would have had to know anything about what I just said, but I have chosen to 'go public' with this anyways.

I now bow before our Great Leader in humble reconciliation for the errors of my ways, and consuming some of his evening yesterday.

[trip]

Bill,
No harm done. Pull your chair up closer to the table, relax and have a cold one. Congrats for arriving at the KawaNOW "laid back" mentality. Go forth my friend and spread the word.

Trip

[Top Cat]

Sometimes after a hard day at work or something, I'll sit down and read a few of the jokes in the joke column while enjoying a cold Corona. It helps!! (Now I've probably offended someone who doesn't drink. Sorry!)


I have read every post on this thread and this is the only one that pisses me off! Damn it Bill, I don't drink and I'll be damned if I am going to sit here and listen to people who do.
You have the right to go to an AAA meeting and in my opinion you have no time to spare. ;) http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[billz410]

Yep, well I knew it would happen! ;)

[dantama]

Dan, you beat me too it. I was going to post the video about Don't Talk to the Police. My friends, if you have the time, please watch it. It is very good, but also watch part 2 that has the officers view on the same subject.

I am the son of a cop.....

isaiahsdad, your post got kind of lost in a sudden shift of direction of the thread, but I appreciate your comments and your experiences. Thanks for posting them.

[dantama]

Well............. it looks lik yridehd puched his ticket out. One can disagree with Dan or me or anyone else but I fail to see the mentality when someone disagrees strongly with one's position to take offense to it.

You're right BD.... yridehd did punch out. There may be a few others that punch out also...There are those that feel I need to put a stop to this thread. That I'm allowing some to gang up on others.

That couldn't be farther from the truth. Everyone has always been able to express how they feel on KawaNOW and that's not going to change. Just remember, it's HOW you express yourselves that makes the difference.

My advice to some....relax and take things said with a grain of salt. Feel free to express your opinion, but don't expect everyone to agree with you.

Trip


It is interesting that those who want to put a stop this thread, are perhaps fine with the slamming that goes on in the political threads on the other forum.

Perhaps it's only offensive if it's something they don't agree with, when in reality, stereotyping, name calling, only seeing the bad etc. is just as offensive when it's something you agree with. It just doesn't feel like it. So Kawanow has been plenty offensive, it’s just been offensive about things you agree about.

I'm not a democrat, and have always voted republican, but I hate what bush did to our freedoms, and other people's. So I voted against his ticket just to get the pendulum swinging the other direction. On this board, you can be as nasty, unfair, mean spirited, stereotyping, etc. etc. etc. .... as long as it's from a republican point of view.

Act the same way towards cops and people are threatening to leave. That is a double standard; you just have more people who agree on your double standard.

Talking about cops the way we have in this thread isn't any more mean spirited than many threads about politicians. Politicians are people trying to do a good job (might suck at it though like some cops) who have families too. But we allow vicious attacks on them posted on Kawanow.

I just wanted to point out that offensive behavior is still offensive, even when you agree with it. Lets be fair and not make cops a protected category that can't be talked about in the same way politicians are on this board.

Of course there are good cops, and we are talking about ones that we don't like for the most part in this thread. There are good politicians who weren't republicans too, even though they are talked about as though there are all bad on this board.

Be honest with your self, this hasn’t been more offensive. You just don’t agree with it.

[blowndodge]

Billz:

I'm guessin' 95% of us are "pro cop". I'm also guessin' 99% are against "Let me throw my authority around your sorry a$$ cop"

Having a license to kill comes with much more responsibility than John Q. Public has to show.

Having the fiduciary responsibility of determining when to take a Human life, police HAVE the responsibility of taking every precaution of NEVER antagonizing the public they serve. The ones that do rightfully deserve to get bashed and hard!

[dantama]

For those wanting Trip to put a stop to any bad talking about cops.

Where were you in just the past couple of weeks when all of this was said in the other forum, and went unchallenged as to whether it was nice or not? And what if we want back a year?

Offensive is offensive, even when you agree. This board has been offensive before my post came up.

CNN Reporter is a piece of $hit

... they are his SS

Sotomeyor is clearly a racist.

f**k them all is all I have to say. (Islamic people)

Mindless do-gooder crap with no accountablilty,

These fools running the Govt are no more than greedy fools

Sorry he is a total looser

Congressmen & lawyers have one thing in common. They're all a$$holes

These jokers in the Senate and Congress were little blue blood boys who ain't never done squat,

Comrad Comrad Comrad... Amerika DID vote for Change! And BY God...er ALLAH…..

Without a doubt Obama is a raciest,

I think he should be stuffed alive and put on display out on the sidewalk in front of the Smithsonian

hell beyond nuts its total insanity ruling our government

Too bad that the News Media are still in bed with this clown

it was obvious that the President SPOKE stupidly.

I am sick of the race baiters and it is clear that Obama is one of those.

He will not because he is without honor.

I would let Obama go back to Indonesia where he comes from, because he is a fool who can't even talk

…the bull$hit policies

he ain't my president

I'm so dam sick of O'bamma

[jamiep24]

That's why if I go to the other forum I don't even look at the threads that look political. Tempers flare, arguments start, feelings are hurt and enemies are made. So this thread turned political mighty quick. Didn't know it was going that direction, would have kept my mouth shut if I did. Jamie

[jamiep24]

To Mac and Wolfman: I apologize for gettina a little bent out of shape and I couldn't agree more with you two. I just get pissed off the way some work our system (ACLU). They look for loopholes in the laws and make mockeries of our judicial system...... Someone murders another in cold blood and the next week he is out because a cop or detective didn't collect the evidence the correct way...... Murderers on death row are there for 20 to 25 years sometimes and then they are just released because the prosecutors used the words "heinous"......An unborn baby's life is worthless to some (PETA)but don't let a pro athlete play football (which I do agree with) who has killed dogs......We also have pro athletes who have been convicted of manslaughter but as long as they are productive they are welcome on pro teams....... Our country's priorities are so screwed up. A teacher who works his or her tail off getting and education may struggle to make $25,000 a year while a pro athlete makes 20 million a year playing a child's game.......A policeman putting his life in danger every day to protect us may struggle to make $20,000 a year while a pampered Hollywood movie star may make 25 million for one movie in which he or she "worked" 6 weeks.......Just venting and again sorry..Jamie

No worries, I think we agree more than we disagree.

[schoeney]

Dan,

Well now...didn't you get things stirred up! Hey don't you get away with enough (riding up bridges, trespassing when riding your Nad in the dirt, etc). The few times you get caught for the minor stuff shouldn't be a big deal!

I have been watching this thread for a few days and it has been interesting what opinions/stories have surfaced.

I am biased as my brother is a retired Leo so I am not sure how objective I can be on the subject.

You are entitled to your opinion and to voice it as well. I will defend your right to it!

Here is my opinion...

Did the cop do anything blatantly wrong....? Hardly
Could she have handled it better? Yes

Did you do anything blatantly wrong? Hardly
Could you have handled it better? Yes



It was pretty obvious she was "fishing" for something bigger or maybe she had a "hunch" based on your body language as you rode and observed her prescence. Unfortunately cops have to use some BS minor infraction before they follow up something they might sense.

I am very anti-attorney and believe our country would be better off with far less of them. I yearn for the good old days when a cop could pull you over just to see what you are up to....maybe following that hunch or something in your body language. Before you go off about personal freedom and rights. I believe the majority of people (not just cops) have good intentions and won't abuse the situation. It is my dream...let me live it. ;)

Things were much safer in those days and life was simpler...not alot of paperwork to cover your a** and much easier for cops to follow a hunch and keep the peace. Maybe we would have alot less crime, criminals, inmates if the cops had some of their old freedoms.

My guess is if you had been polite and cooperative you would have ridden away with a warning.

I just recently got pulled over with 2 buddies because we were doing 62 in a 55.....we all were polite and cooperative and the officer asked us to tone it down....we weren't looking for a confrontation. He even told us he stopped us mainly to see if we had our MC endorsements. Of course he missed the fact that one of us had expired tags http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

I understand that cops have to "control" traffic stops and might have to be a little bossy because they don't know what cop killing idiot is around the next corner. So if they don't sugar coat the instructions that is OK with me.

I do feel you crossed the line with the You Tube video and your comments, that was your anti-cop/authority syndrome coming out...your punishment of the cop hardly fit the crime. Very tacky and uncalled for.

I am glad Trip and the moderator did not kill this thread as I like to hear all sides of a subject and believe the majority of us can keep the debate in perspective. It is healthy to disagree on ocassion.

I know first hand that good cops want the bad ones weeded out. Officer Guzman actions don't warrant her being labeled a bad cop, fat, dyke, or anything else. Just as your actions don't warrant you being labeled a criminal, skinny, or anything else.

Ride Safe....visors down!

[jamiep24]

And Mac, don't sound like you're much different than me, and my woods is just like yours.

[macmac]

To those that are or would be cops there can be no doubt I have very little use of the job, but I can separate the job from the man IF the man is worth it.

The problem for me is most of the men would not be worth it, and are as bad as I see things as the bad cop they refuse to bust.

I SHOT another man that the police would not come assist with in the 80's in the middle of the night, at my HOME, with a wife and a small child in the home.

On the phone the cops told me "To serve and protect" did not mean cops were my personal body guards!

That didn't exactly earn any respect.

Should it have?


Easter 1999 My father in law, an Army man of 30 years and working for Kodak another 30 years in classified Military applications, was Stabbed to death with his Lawyer 2nd wife, a women my wife loved like a mother. (2 dead)

The friggin Fire Dept arrived 2 and 1/2 hours before SWAT.

Should I respect cops more for this?

Inbetween I fought tooth and nail for my FREEDOM for offences I didn't do, and won and that DA cop Lt Tierney of the Wolfeboro Police Dept in NH is now doing time for 512 counts of childmolestation. Go righ ahead and look it up!

He called my wife the "C" word in the court room lobby. I always wondered how many others he framed and won the cases on.

I suppose I should respect cops more for this too.

Well I damnned well dont!

I am sick of cops fishing in my life trying to get a raise, all the while I consider them the criminals.. If you just want a welfare check just get on welfare and leave me alone.

Trip if I need to go, just say the word... I will understand a man atleast, and a need to clean things up.

As to Dan what happened as I see it is a cop was on a fishing trip, and he slammed the cop by demanding his RIGHTS. The infraction was a dismal excuse to check him out.

If you are a cop and want me face to face be prepared if you defend what you do, and are a leech of a man I will know.

If you are a real man I will know that too.

Be it known that in the rest of my days I will never call a cop, and I don't care what for, because I see no what for in the first place.

[jamiep24]

Hey Mac, I sure as hell won't break into your house if I ever go into that line of work...And I also have a .40 S&W under my mattress if I ever need it. Hope I never need it. Jamie

[blowndodge]

Dan, how would you feel if one day you woke up and you were black? http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

[macmac]

Jamie I am not a tough guy. The thing is I don't respect anyone because they say I must. I give them common courtisey, and they earn the rest.

[macmac]

Jamie, I just found the above posts.... You and I have no problems... No need to appolgise to me. We see a true path, and you just have a different way of seeing, and I sure do respect that.

I have been straight to Hell 3 times and now i get a flight discount http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

I am fine with you, and was as soon as i saw the why of the way you think..

Thank you for that insite. mac.

[macmac]

BD you rascal! Dan can't wake up black, but I sure can.... mac

[isaiahsdad]

God bless America! That about sums it all up for me. Now who wants to go ride!!??

[dantama]

Dan,

Well now...didn't you get things stirred up!
I do feel you crossed the line with the You Tube video and your comments, that was your anti-cop/authority syndrome coming out...your punishment of the cop hardly fit the crime. Very tacky and uncalled for.



Yup




Dan, how would you feel if one day you woke up and you were black? http://s2.images.proboards.com/grin.gif

LOL, good memory :)

[isaiahsdad]

The way I see it, is that anybody can be an a$$ at what they do, even cops. Saying that, anybody should accept the responsability of being an a$$, even a cop. Nobody is above humanity, and humanity is full of the afore mentioned a$$e$. If you are going to be a cop, a congressman, or a president, you better have your sh!t wired, and wired good. Because WE THE PEOPLE are the ones who have to pay in the end. If this cop in question gets it wrong for a visor, what will she get wrong when it really hits the fan, and she ends up killing someone over an oversight on her part. Dans protest of her behaviour could very well stop a bad cop from getting much worse. Now I have almost a nickle in this thread.

[schoeney]

OK...we have all said our piece...time to go ride.

[samkjr]

Whats with all you people getting tickets for going 5,6,7,8 or 9 over?

Here in VA, our fines are high and the cops are all over the place, But dont know many people that get that kind of ticket. I have gotten 6 tickets since I was 16 and everyone of them was for for going at least ten over.

I do know several cops and they like to nail people to the wall but out here, they won't even bother unless it's at least ten over. And I 've have several troppers tell me they don't pull on the 65 mph hi-ways unless its 80 or more b/c thats wreckless here, and they are afraid that if they pull you for 77 they might miss a chance to get a wreckless ticket.

[trip]

I think it's time we let this thread die of a slow death. We've beat it to a pulp.

Dan, let us know what happens at court with your ticket.

Trip

[cactusjack]

Okay, well you all heard the man.